[HP Autosport]

We found this on E46fanatics....

Here is the link to the original post as well:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=775212

Originally Posted by ninjlao

Now as for the testing I happen to have a spare volkland spring lying around because I had a friend that wanted me to test it out. I also have a set of lightly used Swift springs in almost the same dimensions. The Volkland spring that i have is a
2.5" ID 9" length 180lb/inch spring.
The swift on the other hand is
2.5" ID 9" length 4kg/mm spring which equals to 223lb/inch spring.

Now just a little background information on this little test that I did. The lower the spring rate the spring rate changes and spikes throughout its compression is much less affected than a heavy spring rate. The spring rate spikes are obviously much more noticeable but the percentage increased are about the same. The reason I tested out such low rates though is because these springs are the only springs comparable that I have lying around.



Now there is a lot more to a spring than the spring rate but that is by far the easiest to see the quality and accuracy of the spring itself. So that is exactly what I tested first.



There is nothing bad I can really say about this spring, it is really hard to tell the accuracy of the spring rate because it is not too hard to be off on a spring rate so low. But as a 180lb/inch spring it is pretty dead on its spring rate all the way through its compression.
1st inch- 181
2nd inch- 183
3rd inch- 186 (already starting to hike up)
4th inch-250 (it was nearing coilbind so its natural to increase this much so you can judge this spring at this amount of compression)


Now with the swift spring.

again this spring is also a low spring rate, it's a little stiffer than the Volkland but it is nowhere near high enough to accurately tell how precise this spring is. But this is the spring rate that was recorded throughout its stroke

1st inch- 220
2nd inch- 223
3rd inch- 222
4th inch- 224

Now I took a picture of every inch of compression, I tested it several times through the different strokes of the springs and the numbers for both really consistent throughout their compressions. The pictures and the recorded numbers I decided to post up are numbers starting with zero preload.
These pictures posted below is where the Swift started to outshine the Volkland. This is at 3 inch of compression.




You can clearly see that the swift spring has a much larger sweet spot than the Volkland spring. You can also see that the Swift spring is much closer to the desired spring rate.

But this is not the only advantage to the spring.
Right after being put on the spring checker I remeasured the springs to see if there were any difference in length.



The Volkland spring was brand spanking new. With just a few compressions on the spring checker it had already sagged 1/16 of an inch.

the used Swift on the other hand was dead on at its height.

This was just a few minutes of compression on the spring checker. Now you can imagine what the spring would do after a few months of use with the weight of the car and the vibrations exposed to the spring.

Well Volkland springs are known to sag after a few race events in the real time racing. This is why I decided to measure it before and after the checking of the rates. I already knew the results before going into the test.
Also to show the craftmanship of these springs

^This picture was also taken before the dyno testing. Now all springs do slant a slight amount. They usually are within whatever the manufacturer specs are. This spring though is almost like an S shape which is something I only thought came with Megan springs. This was kind of disappointing to me.

Originally Posted by ninjlao

Now I have tested time and time again, all sorts of different springs from all kinds of manufacturers. I am always pretty confident with the swift product. Now if I find a better product then I will back that, but so far to this day I have not found one.

Now Zerosum brought up a good point. What you claimed is the exact thing that splits the Swift springs apart from all the other spring manufacturer. Now lets say I were to get the most precise spring from Hiperco or Eibach and compared it with a Swift spring. On a spring dyno it will be very similar. The graph would probably look identical, but then if you were to physically use those springs and swap them out, to use back to back, It would be a night and day difference. You would immediately be able to tell which is Swift. The Swift will feel much more compliant, in fact its exactly what Zerosum said "the impacts are much better damped". I know it is hard to understand but I will explain.

It is not the spring rate that distinguishes the differences in the impact of uneven pavement. Spring rate has more to do with the reaction of the amount of force put onto the spring. In other words to put it in simple terms, it will affect body roll. I am not saying that initial impact of uneven pavement can be softened by softening spring rate, but that is not the correct way to make a car more compliant. The correct way is the shock absorber the main reason for this is because there is a form of mechanical lag with the spring. This is why some suspension companies do not even believe in adjusting spring rate (talk to the techs at KW).

Now for some reason the reaction rate or the time to respond from impact with the Swift spring is much much quicker than ANY other spring company. This is something that can not be seen on a spring dyno. But can be tested. In fact through the testing that I have done we have seen that even with the exact spring rates being used the tire temperatures with the Swift springs is always cooler. This is the reaction rate of the spring, or frequency of the spring is what some suspension scientists explained it to me as. (LOL)
But of course track testing is nowhere near accurate for testing because there are so many different variables that come into play with simply measuring tiretemps.

Anyways the reason why we came to the conclusion that the reaction speed is different is because we ended up taking the car to a shaker rig. Which is an extemely expensive process, which I obviously did not pay for but was there to help figure out why the Swift springs were so different.

Anyways what I am trying to say is that the Swift springs even with the same rates will durastically make a difference with the performance of the vehicle.

[subieworx]

No surprise here. Swift makes the best barrel springs on the market which is why we chose them for our coilovers for the subarus. The only other springs that are close in overall consistency throughout the range of travel are Hyperco's (not hypercoil).

On my old 04 wrx I had a set of Ohlins coilovers and as a test decided to swap springs. The springs that come with Ohlins coilovers are Eibachs. I went to swifts in the same rates as teh eibachs and immediately noticed they were more forgiving and felt a bit softer around town. Over large bumps the suspension was much more compliant and was able to maintain traction over bumps in turns much better.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by subieworx

No surprise here. Swift makes the best barrel springs on the market which is why we chose them for our coilovers for the subarus. The only other springs that are close in overall consistency throughout the range of travel are Hyperco's (not hypercoil).

On my old 04 wrx I had a set of Ohlins coilovers and as a test decided to swap springs. The springs that come with Ohlins coilovers are Eibachs. I went to swifts in the same rates as teh eibachs and immediately noticed they were more forgiving and felt a bit softer around town. Over large bumps the suspension was much more compliant and was able to maintain traction over bumps in turns much better.

We recommend Swift springs for all the coilovers we sell as well and have developed Swift coilover conversion kits for the popular KW V1, 2 and 3 and Koni SA Yellows.

A lot of people on this board think I am crazy when I said xyz vs Swift, the Swift will almost always offer a better ride and traction! That is of course, until they tried Swift, then they become a believer as well.

[e90ben]

HPA- Do you or swift offer a regular spring that would work with a Non-coilover solution?

[itsbrokeagain]

Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

We recommend Swift springs for all the coilovers we sell as well and have developed Swift coilover conversion kits for the popular KW V1, 2 and 3 and Koni SA Yellows.

A lot of people on this board think I am crazy when I said xyz vs Swift, the Swift will almost always offer a better ride and traction! That is of course, until they tried Swift, then they become a believer as well.

Im sending you a PM now