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Originally Posted by Socom
Ok here is the deal with ATF. ZF 6HP requires Lifeguard 6 or OEM equilivant. It's base stock is Shell M-1375.5.
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Where's your proof? Shell M-1375.4 is a specification. The base stock for Lifeguard6 is mineral oil. as seen in page 1 of the MSDS, under chemical breakdown:
MINERAL OIL, ADDITIVES
http://www.tsgparts.net/images/pdf/Lifeguardfluid6.pdf
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Originally Posted by Socom
Lifeguard 6 is NOT a member of the ZF TE-ML 11B or 11A lubricant list. LG6 is slightly different which is why under the 6HP only see OEM equilivants listed and no reference to the 11B or 11A list of alternative fluids. http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...011_en0700.pdf |
Then, why isn't it TE ML
11C since we know that A, B, and C denote ZF's longevity rating?
http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...014_en0700.pdf
also, why is it not on any other list? Lifeguard5 for instance is given a rating of 11B. Castrol Transmax Z is given a rating of 11B, and
14C. Why is it superior to a fluid like tansmax Z which is tested to be 14C (i.e: suitable for 1,000+hours or 2 years in BUSes, and heavy duty industrial vehicles? Looking at the MSDS for transmax Z, you can see on page 1 under chemical breakdown that its:
synthetic base, and proprietary additives:
http://www.msds.castrol.co.nz/msds.a...no=450358-NZ07
yet it's inferior to LG6? even transmax Z it has better KV @ 40C/100C, VI, and Flash Point?
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Originally Posted by Socom
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weird, its on the brochure that its 6hp:
http://www.crpindustries.com/pentosi...ssionfluid.asp its ZF, that called pentosin up, and is bullying them into stating other, despite, relabelling their fliud as "lifeguard5" and charging 2wice the price.
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Now when a bottle of ATF (Castrol Multi-vehicle for example) puts all these specifications on a bottle, what they're saying in best case scenerio is that that particular product meets ALL of those various requirements on the most basic level.
http://www.cartechbooks.com/vstore/s...=3578&CATID=21. |
No. Things written on the label, is called marketing. Thats why we look at the government required MSDS. Despite the fact that mineral oil based castrol multivehicle is TE ML 11A, its still superior to LG6, with higher Viscosity (thus more resistant to shear), and flash points.
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Originally Posted by Socom
Mercon SP and a Ford ATF ($4 quart) are also part of the Shell M-1375.4 family.
http://www.lubeandtune.com.au/html/lubekey.asp (Note: Amsoil sells an ATF fluid which meets Mercon SP, and when I asked about Lifeguard 6 for the ZF 6HP I was told that the Mercon SP spec is "on the low end" of the M-1375.4 family. |
For more precise information on this, See our discussion, which socom ran from:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363648
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Originally Posted by Socom
As for cost? Lifeguard 6 is expensive becuase it's a lifetime fluid, so it wasn't meant to be changed. Your AT doesn't have a dipstick, and the refilling process is a PITA.
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I have pictures of this so called lifetime fluid in two of my cars, and It is clearly degraded by 40K miles (dark black and stinky) of light driving. Its original color is light brown. It is very easy to change your trans fluid. Just go to a local euro/import shop, and they have equipment to suck out the fluid and pump new fluid back in, like I and countless others have done. The dealership, won't do this, because they want to sell you a re-manufactured trans, and keep yours, for future re-manufacturing.
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Originally Posted by Socom
What would I do (In warranty)?: Your warranty is 50k miles or 100k miles max. If you're not getting the extended warranty just pay the dealer for an ATF change or find OEM equilivant fluid (Land Rover part# seems to be cheapest). It will only be a 1 time charge because you'll be out of warranty for the next change. Do the change before you hit 45k miles..
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or for $4.68/quart, buy motorcraft Mercon SP, its the same thing.
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Note: Some people will say things like "well if you tune, you want to use X". Well here's the deal. My 335D puts out more TQ than just about any tuned 335i out there and Lifeguard 6 is the standard fill. And unless you're tracking the car all the time (unlikely with a A/T to begin with) you're probably fine.
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yes, that LG6 is used in ALL 6 speed autos. from those handling extreme torque, to those handling very little. Was that smart? We know that LG6's sole use, was to provide gas milage savings only:
http://www.just-auto.com/ia.aspx?id=2403
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Originally Posted by Socom
From what I've been told if you wait until 50k miles to do a change, the new fluid will cause slippage because it does not have the worn off clutch material floating around.
Good luck!
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I changed my fluid with pentosin ATF 1, at 51K miles (Do a search for my write up with pictures), and that didn't happen! Your full of myths, and legends.
