[Taskmaster]

Anyone use it? Is it even recommended?

[08njSTEP]

It works but I think it's recommend for straight water only. This is great for race cars, but not so much for dailys. I have dirt track racer buddies that run it, with straight water.

[9krpmrx8]

Pure Snake oil.

[bbnks2]

Water wetter is not "pure snake oil." It's has its purpose.

Distilled water will transfer heat more effectively than glycol in antifreeze ever will.

"Coolant" is a bad name for it. It's really only put into the water system to prevent freezing and increase the boiling temp of water. Glycol is also one of the most slippery substances known to man. Good for keeping the water pump lubed, but terrible for hpde use or any track duty where spilling fluid could kill people due to traction loss.

The downside of distilled water is friction and corrosion. WaterWetter closes the gap on those issues. It also has agents in it that reduce cavitation (air bubbles).

The cooling benefits are obvious. My coolant temps dropped from cruising temps (225f) to performance (190f) much more quickly when I mashed the gas. The oil also ran noticeably cooler. Most likely this was due to better heat removal during pulls.

It's well worth switching to distilled water + Waterwetter if freezing isn't a concern.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by bbnks2

Water wetter is not "pure snake oil." It's has its purpose.

Distilled water will transfer heat more effectively than glycol in antifreeze ever will.

"Coolant" is a bad name for it. It's really only put into the water system to prevent freezing and increase the boiling temp of water. Glycol is also one of the most slippery substances known to man. Good for keeping the water pump lubed, but terrible for hpde use or any track duty where spilling fluid could kill people due to traction loss.

The downside of distilled water is friction and corrosion. WaterWetter closes the gap on those issues. It also has agents in it that reduce cavitation (air bubbles).

The cooling benefits are obvious. My coolant temps dropped from cruising temps (225f) to performance (190f) much more quickly when I mashed the gas. The oil also ran noticeably cooler. Most likely this was due to better heat removal during pulls.

It's well worth switching to distilled water + Waterwetter if freezing isn't a concern.

I always love reading your posts, thank you.

Thank you to everyone who contributed.

[bNks334]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I always love reading your posts, thank you.

Thank you to everyone who contributed.

Just heed that final warning. Water + water wetter will still freeze at 32f...

I switched back to a 50:50 antifreeze mix for winter. People claim a benefit to adding Waterwetter to a 50:50 mix, but I doubt that alone would have any measureable benefit.

[justpete]

WaterWetter is just a surfactant, won't make any difference in a glycol/water mix.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by justpete

WaterWetter is just a surfactant, won't make any difference in a glycol/water mix.

That's what I keep hearing. I don't plan to run just water, so I'll pass on it.

[9krpmrx8]

Originally Posted by bbnks2

Water wetter is not "pure snake oil." It's has its purpose.

Distilled water will transfer heat more effectively than glycol in antifreeze ever will.

"Coolant" is a bad name for it. It's really only put into the water system to prevent freezing and increase the boiling temp of water. Glycol is also one of the most slippery substances known to man. Good for keeping the water pump lubed, but terrible for hpde use or any track duty where spilling fluid could kill people due to traction loss.

The downside of distilled water is friction and corrosion. WaterWetter closes the gap on those issues. It also has agents in it that reduce cavitation (air bubbles).

The cooling benefits are obvious. My coolant temps dropped from cruising temps (225f) to performance (190f) much more quickly when I mashed the gas. The oil also ran noticeably cooler. Most likely this was due to better heat removal during pulls.

It's well worth switching to distilled water + Waterwetter if freezing isn't a concern.

Um, no. Do race cars ( I mean actual race cars) use distilled water or water wetter? The answer is no. Water = corrosion. Engines till get corroded even when using a good quality coolant (many types -PG, POAT, NOAT, NMOAT, etc).

Just because water removes more heat doesn't mean it's better, because coolant needs to lubricate, prevent corrosion, and have the ability to not freeze.

The argument over why Prop glycol is allowed at some tracks where eth glycol is not has been going on forever and the rules are stupid because both are slippery so it make no sense to allow one over the other. And I love to hear about this agent that prevents cavitation.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

Um, no. Do race cars ( I mean actual race cars) use distilled water or water wetter? The answer is no. Water = corrosion. Engines till get corroded even when using a good quality coolant (many types -PG, POAT, NOAT, NMOAT, etc).

Just because water removes more heat doesn't mean it's better, because coolant needs to lubricate, prevent corrosion, and have the ability to not freeze.

The argument over why Prop glycol is allowed at some tracks where eth glycol is not has been going on forever and the rules are stupid because both are slippery so it make no sense to allow one over the other. And I love to hear about this agent that prevents cavitation.

Seriously? All glycols are verboten in race cars. All race cars. All the time. Period. This is common knowledge. The only thing allowed is water, thus the need for a surfactant like WaterWetter.

[9krpmrx8]

Oh and FYI, the term "distilled water" is pretty vague as there are companies that test this stuff (important in some uses) and most brands sold are not pure at all, and how pure they are varies by a ton.

Corrosion on an engine is really bad mmmmkkkkkaaaaayyyy.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

Oh and FYI, the term "distilled water" is pretty vague as there are companies that test this stuff (important in some uses) and most brands sold are not pure at all, and how pure they are varies by a ton.

Corrosion on an engine is really bad mmmmkkkkkaaaaayyyy.

Tough to beat for sheer ignorance. Read the rules, SCCA, NASA, etc. Water only. Period. Corrosion, LMAO.

[9krpmrx8]

Originally Posted by justpete

Seriously? All glycols are verboten in race cars. All race cars. All the time. Period. This is common knowledge. The only thing allowed is water, thus the need for a surfactant like WaterWetter.

I didn't say they run Glycol. But they sure as hell don't run grocery store distilled water and water wetter either.

[9krpmrx8]

Originally Posted by justpete

Tough to beat for shear ignorance. Read the rules, SCCA, NASA, etc. Water only. Period. Corrosion, LMAO.

Right because in autocross you always drain your coolant and put only water in before an event. And both local tracks I have been too (non pro circuits) here don't have a problem with glycol based coolants so there goes your "all race cars, all the time" theory.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

I didn't say they run Glycol. But they sure as hell don't run grocery store distilled water and water wetter either.

Semantics. Water is water. Mineral content is a concern if left in the engine but coolant is changed out after each race, you knew that didn't you? No? Do you know race engines typically push water? No? Makes the whole argument about distilled or whatever kinda moot, don't it? This is what's called bench racing, btw. And deserves a hearty guffaw at best.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

Right because in autocross you always drain your coolant and put only water in before an event.

Who gives a shit about autocross? That ain't racing unless sanctioned. And coolant is not a concern when only one car is on the course, but you knew that didn't you? No? Didn't think so.

[9krpmrx8]

Originally Posted by justpete

Who gives a shit about autocross? That ain't racing unless sanctioned. And coolant is not a concern when only one car is on the course, but you knew that didn't you? No? Didn't think so.

You brought up SCCA and NASA (I know not every event is autox but most are). As to whether it "ain't racing" well that's nonsense. And plenty of tracks that allow wheel to wheel racing allow glycol coolants. Including the Circuit of the Americas F1 track. Not to mention I just checked the .pdf of the SCCA general rule book and it doesn't mention anything about Glycol, water, or the make up of coolant period.

But we are getting off point, the OP doesn't have a f#!king race car and water wetter won't do sh#t for him, .

[Noir]

Welp. I thought this was a pun-esque thread given the title..
Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

[9krpmrx8]

And OP, if you are interested in another alternative, I suggest researching Evans waterless coolant. I have run it for years in a couple of cars, great stuff.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

You brought up SCCA and NASA (I know not every event is autox but most are). As to whether it "ain't racing" well that's nonsense. And plenty of tracks that allow wheel to wheel racing allow glycol coolants. Including the Circuit of the Americas F1 track. Not to mention I just checked the .pdf of the SCCA general rule book and it doesn't mention anything about Glycol, water, or the make up of coolant period.

But we are getting off point, the OP doesn't have a f#!king race car and water wetter won't do sh#t for him, .

No shit. Fuckin duh, scooter.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

And OP, if you are interested in another alternative, I suggest researching Evans waterless coolant. I have run it for years in a couple of cars, great stuff.

Evans will run your car hotter than using standard coolant, know all about it. Not the brightest thing in the world to do, and a total waste of money.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

You brought up SCCA and NASA (I know not every event is autox but most are). As to whether it "ain't racing" well that's nonsense. And plenty of tracks that allow wheel to wheel racing allow glycol coolants. Including the Circuit of the Americas F1 track. Not to mention I just checked the .pdf of the SCCA general rule book and it doesn't mention anything about Glycol, water, or the make up of coolant period.

But we are getting off point, the OP doesn't have a f#!king race car and water wetter won't do sh#t for him, .

There's not a sanctioned body in the world that allows glycol coolant in w2w racing, you're absolutely wrong. Read the GCR closer, you haven't a clue.