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10-30-2014, 08:19 PM | #24 |
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[QUOTE=justpete;16861282]Racing brake fluid and a few weekend HPDEs will show how much the driver needs improving before the car does (that's true for anyone who hasn't tracked a car before, nothing personal). QUOTE]
Agree, will eventually track it one of those days and find out for myself. By the way you have quite an impressive list of upgrades, lots of DIYs? |
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10-31-2014, 08:01 AM | #26 | |
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10-31-2014, 09:07 AM | #27 |
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I'm looking to do my suspension with coilovers next Friday. I've heard several opinions, each with people saying good and bad. I want to know which would fit my needs the best. Thx
I have an e93 335i. I'm looking for something that will give me the max handling with minimal degradation of ride comfort. I live in Florida, mostly smooth roads. I have stock sport suspension. I'm also planning on M3 front control arms and M3 subframe and control arm bushings, and a WaveTrac LSD with Defiv Fabrication rear lockdown. I am not looking to lower much if any past stock sport suspension level. Maybe 1" max in front, 1/2" rear. I have Michelin Pilot Super Sports 235/35-19 front and 275/30-19 rear. FINAL OBJECTIVE IS TO OUT HANDLE A LAST GENERATION M3 OR CURRENT M4 WITHOUT HAVING A HARSH RIDE. I've looked at the following Bilstein B12 pro BC Racing BR KW V2 KW comfort street. All are in the budget. -Bilstein has the most recommendations so far. Most say very comfortable but handling may be less than others. -BC was recommended by my installer. It has a mix of good and bad but he says as good as the others and it's based in my town and he has a relationship with them. If I have any problems or want any changes he can get it done fast and easy. -KW both look good. But their descriptions of these suck. Hard to tell how they compare to each other or the other brands based on general adjectives vs say a rating scale for different characteristics. Anyway, I need to decide ASAP. Any feedback at all is welcome. No, I don't want HR, Koni, ST, etc. Thx.
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10-31-2014, 01:59 PM | #29 |
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they are nothing to rave about, people are actually selling them a lot now. The springs are way to soft. Have to upgrade springs, even then they don't compare to KW2 they are about equal to a ST st best.
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10-31-2014, 02:08 PM | #30 | ||
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There is a guy named John Mueller who sets up cars (mostly Evos) here in SoCal and sells a bunch of Ohlins R&T kits. His shop Muellerized set up the Motons on my Evo, and he's got an in-house shock dyno. I know he's set up a 1M with Motons and he's done a few GT-R's on the R&T's. So if you're in SoCal, he's a suspension guy you can trust to set up the car properly. And he'll find you a correct set of springs and set the dampening up accordingly. Plus, you know, he'll take you on a "Hell Ride" after your car is done to show you everything it can do Quote:
For me, with the B12 kit, the inserts should be just fine and perfect for a DD. I do not want to open a can of worms and start adding stuff to the 335i. I've already done that with the Evo. Lesson learned Last edited by MIL.SPEC; 10-31-2014 at 02:14 PM.. |
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10-31-2014, 02:12 PM | #31 | |
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The adjustment rings have seized because of rust and I feel they are too soft. I have replaced my entire suspension and consider them the weak link... |
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10-31-2014, 03:00 PM | #32 | |
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JB4 G5, Stage 3 LPFP, Stage 2 MOTIV PI, VM 6466 ST, Custom OCC W/ SS lines, ER FMIC, ER CP W/HKS BOV, M3 control arms, M3 guide rods, M3 upper links, M3 front & rear sway-bars, HPA rear toe arms, Wavetrac LSD, HPF Gen 2, DEFIV kit, KW clubsport, Delrin solid SF bushings, stoptech rotors, Rogue Tranny Mounts, 1M bumper, M3 CF hood, M3 fenders, M3 OEM sideskirts, Mtech rear bumper, CSL trunk, MORR VS8.2 rims 245/295
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10-31-2014, 03:02 PM | #33 | |
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10-31-2014, 05:34 PM | #34 |
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I'm doing kw v2, M3 subframe bushings, and m3 front swing arms and bushings. Replace shock tower bushings with oem I think. That with a wavetrac LSD and defiv fab diff lockdown should give me some improvements.
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10-31-2014, 05:57 PM | #35 | |
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10-31-2014, 07:16 PM | #36 | |
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an off the shelf bilstein HD(given the same spring rate) that has been tuned by a top suspension guy will give 100% the performance of ANY high end damper under normal use. only under track conditions will the shortcomings of an off the shelf unit become apparent. as for a guy who is looking to make his daily a little more rewarding with an eye towards more, there are several off the shelf bolt ins that will more than accomodate his requirements. not everyone wants to spend the time, energy and money on a custom tuned suspension. i say this all the time in my motorcycle community: a well tuned 'stock' suspension will run circles around a poorly tuned 'best' suspension. |
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11-02-2014, 01:41 AM | #37 |
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How about starting with wider front tires? A 235 front tire width is already deficient to a e9x M's stock 245, let alone a F8X's 255. Get wider tires (255 or 265) and add front camber via camber plates or pull the alignment pins from the top hats to max the negative camber to get a real leap in grip.
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11-02-2014, 09:49 PM | #38 | |
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11-03-2014, 06:09 PM | #39 |
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A little FYI, Mueller almost always (unless you're looking for custom dampening) includes his set-up with the cost of the unit. That, of course, doesn't take into consideration installation or the cost different springs if you request them. It's not like you pay for the shocks and then pay for him to tune them. That's not how he works
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11-07-2014, 11:43 AM | #41 | |
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