[Shinchan]

Originally Posted by M&M

The map sensor is in the intercooler outlet pipe in the run up to the throttle. So when you close the throttle, there will be a boost spike until such time as the DV's open. This is totally normal in most turbo cars. Am I seeing something wrong here?

that is not completely correct. I don't see spike on my Xede.

[1clean335i]

I guess its time for Eugene to make a new sig

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by 1clean335i

I guess its time for Eugene to make a new sig

Should I add the JB2 and the Attaché ?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Second, Shiv, you still continue to behave as everytime. Instead of working on the issues you post another new record. During the testing of v2.0.2 there have been 20psi spikes, not with me but with the other beta tester. You know as well that in case of such a spike the corresponding fuel will be delivered. And, what a surprise, the fuel pump of the other beta tester seems to die or died already.

I am aware about the HPFP problem but you might agree that such a load "will bring a HPFP defect to the light", as you said. Sflgator blew his in the 1st 2 days running V2. Per ( in Sweden, no US gas ) on the airfield event, IIRC.

As long as the unexpected spikes are not eliminated, I will stay away from beta testing and using the V2. I have time to look what happens now, my car is still in an excellent condition.

In fact, my PROcede is disabled now. I prefer to see how much "will be brought to the light" and decide later, what I will do with the device.

Actually, I now suspect it was a loose CPK signal, just FYI. I should have initially checked the code when the fault occurred. Had I been in town, that is precisely what would have happened. But the circumstances were different and I acted promptly. Now after digesting and scanning for codes, the problem appears to be a loose CPK signal.

This will be tested thoroughly over the weekend though by leaving the car outside in similar ambient temperatures. BTW, thanks for proclaiming this publically before I had a chance to fully evaluate the situation.

Secondly, you failed to mention the 20 PSI spike circumstances. This was only after I bumped up the setting and only occurred once and prior to full adaptation. After I drove the car more with the new settings, the spikes diminished.

Those who have driven tuned turbo vehicles know this is the nature of the beast. The spikes, while still occurring, are minimal. A 15 PSI spike then dropping to 13 PSI is certainly fine and better than the previous map I tested. This was on the default settings and under even more specific situations; i.e. narrower RPM band.

In the end, this is still better than what most upgraded B5 S4 drivers would see with most code, or even other factory turbo vehicles with upgardes. Heck, I had to run an MBC in parallel just to control spikes to 23+ PSI when it would drop to 18 - 19 PSI. Otherwise, you would get the dreaded throttle cut.

[turbotko]

Wow, if boost spike is what's worrying you then it's a good thing you're getting away from a tuned turbo car. I've been around a few (not alot, but a few) tuned turbo cars and everyone I've seen had some sort of boost spike. Hell, my little turbo 74 pinto monster would spike to 27 psi before falling back to 22 psi, never hurt the motor and sure made for a hard hitting turbo.

Cool, as fast as this thread grew there might be some cheap used procedes on the market soon..............I knew good things would come to those that wait!!!

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by scalbert

Actually, I now suspect it was a loose CPK signal, just FYI. I should have initially checked the code when the fault occurred. Had I been in town, that is precisely what would have happened. But the circumstances were different and I acted promptly. Now after digesting and scanning for codes, the problem appears to be a loose CPK signal.

This will be tested thoroughly over the weekend though by leaving the car outside in similar ambient temperatures. BTW, thanks for proclaiming this publically before I had a chance to fully evaluate the situation.

Secondly, you failed to mention the 20 PSI spike circumstances. This was only after I bumped up the setting and only occurred once and prior to full adaptation. After I drove the car more with the new settings, the spikes diminished.

Those who have driven tuned turbo vehicles know this is the nature of the beast. The spikes, while still occurring, are minimal. A 15 PSI spike then dropping to 13 PSI is certainly fine and better than the previous map I tested. This was on the default settings and under even more specific situations; i.e. narrower RPM band.

In the end, this is still better than what most upgraded B5 S4 drivers would see with most code, or even other factory turbo vehicles with upgardes. Heck, I had to run an MBC in parallel just to control spikes to 23+ PSI when it would drop to 18 - 19 PSI. Otherwise, you would get the dreaded throttle cut.

scalbert,

Thank you for chiming in. I think we all know now that you're one of the other v2.0.2 beta testers seeing these boost spike issues. So, in your opinion, would you say that the latest v2.0.2 beta map you received from Shiv (v2.0.2 beta 11-26-07) with your "bumped up" TQ Curve settings is safe and effective without any major boost spikes or other problems?

[wahoo]

FWIW, I'd let the producers do their OWN R&D, on their own nickel and own car. Thats just my .02.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Should I add the JB2 and the Attaché ?

Maybe.....

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by sflgator

scalbert,

Thank you for chiming in. I think we all know now that you're one of the other v2.0.2 beta testers seeing these boost spike issues. So, in your opinion, would you say that the latest v2.0.2 beta map you received from Shiv (v2.0.2 beta 11-26-07) with your "bumped up" TQ Curve settings is safe and effective without any major boost spikes or other problems?

With the defaults settings, it performed fine. I do not have enough seat time with the bumped up settings to say for sure.

[Crazy Bimmer]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

And people questioned me when I said I was selling my PROcede v1/v2 because I thought Shiv's business practices were unacceptable.

But Im much happier dealing with a company that has more concerns about the current project, than the next one and the one after that.

Agreed.

Blows my mind how many versions are out or coming out for PROcede already in such a short time. That alone makes me nervous. How many times have we heard.. "oh the next version wont have that issue" Uh, the current version should have never had that issue in the first place!

I dont own a Vishnu product for my own reasons but it was nice to have Eugen supporting them. He really was the customer service part for the PROcede. He was always willing to help anyone who had issues right away.

At Shiv already posting new track times in this thread to get people focused on the new update. I got a chuckle out of that but they were impressive times. There needs to be a lot more than that to get me to install it on my car. My issue is that i like to buy things after its been on the market for awhile but thats kinda hard to do with PROcede since they keep tweaking it so often! But people demand more power and hes giving what the people want.....

[revah2]

lol. This is what me and others have been saying since day one. AA could have bumped the power in the Xede up to v2.0 levels but never released the 1.5 map because of safety and reliability issues. This is a prime example of safety and reliability and customer service before power.

[revah2]

Originally Posted by remydlc

This does not smell good, m, more from robertrinaustin @ http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=305859

"As I see it, and I am a former customer, Vishnu's biggest problem is two fold; they're repeatedly using inferior hardware and have a history of abandoning markets/ communities. I'm sure in 3 or 4 years, the Proceeds will be as worthless as his Unichips and Xedes. And, as I posted before, if Al and many others still make a nice living tuning EVOs and other cars while managing to contribute to the community, Vishnu could as well. However, they've chosen to abandon both this market and this community.

Look how many questions there are in this forum about Vishnu products and find how many times anyone from Vishnu actually post. Fortunately, there are plenty of helpful people on here, so Vishnu suport comes from its great customers.

It's funny, when Vishnu debuted on the Subby scene, all the Mazda guys said just wait, he's only passing through. How right they've been. Vishnu, the ADD shop."

+1

[GreekMaverick]

Actualy, he went all out on the EVO's .......It seems like most of You Evo Owners Forget that


Dont forget that vishnu was the first company to bring the evo into the spotlight in the US with TONS of magazine press and their win of one lap, plus their work with car and driver.

Shiv was the first one to figure out the 9 ecu and the Mivec tuning. He then posted all his findings on this forum for other tuners to better understand the workings of the new ecu. Even now a vishnu flash and tbe (300 whp on mustang dyno) makes more than most other tuner's packages that include way more parts.

Unlinke some other shops, vishnu's philosophy doesnt revolve arround making time attack cars and other things, but simply engine management, and in that department they do very well especially on brand new platforms.

An xede is not that big of a deal anymore, but back when the evo was new, there was no free flashing software, and only 2 or 3 shops that understood the evo at all. You cant expect them to attempt to compete with a FREE flashing program? they are a business after all.

They moved to the 335, as no one in the market including all the big names i.e dinan, active auto werke and turner had any ability to tune the 335s. They were the first and are still the best engine management solution for that platform, and guess what, once that platform is fully developed, they will proly move to another challenge.

Not every car company is the same, and vishnu is into the EM stuff and thats why they move to different platforms faster than other companies.

[wahoo]

It's ironic that AA, and their customers are quiet. Probably b/c they're enjoying their cars, rather than posting online about dynos, street races etc.

[e.n335]

I think bashing should not start now.

I quit beta testing and will see how the PROcede V2 evolves. In the meantime I will evaluate whether the JB2 or the Attaché will be better for my application.

FMIC, DP's and DV's will work with all of the ECU-tunings. Up to now I did not get the PROcede to that point that it meets or exceeds my expectations, based on informations all of us got from Vishnu.

I hope Shiv will chime in later and explain to me why I am wrong.

Looking forward to the JB2 and Attachè

- Eugen

[bimmermans54]

All of this is soo funny. And yes I am biast, but where is the AA thrown in here? Why so much about Terrys product? AA has proven themselves relentlessly. Customer service is the best, their product has still yet to be beaten by another, and yes, I am willing to race any SSTT, JBS2R whatever. Eugen, I have been doin bmws for years, why do you go with things that are so blinding? AA=30years of bmw knowledge that no one has even come close to. Why go with someone else? I am blown away, AA unit is cheaper than Vishnu, and it NEVER gives 1 second of problems. That boost spike will kill the turbos. So, none the less, eugen, if you like, pm me, and we can further discuss things because you seem to be a very intellegent man, so I would like to speak with you, just so I can get a understanding, please!

[gonzo]

...Over 6300 views and over 300 replies in 12 hours. Oh my!

[WilyB]

Eugen,

Are you selling your V2 Bluetooth setup by any chance?

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

where is jerry springer when you need him!

[derek0480]

The first 9 pages of this were worthless. I can't believe I wasted 20 minutes reading all of it.

but I am subscribed now...

hiding behind the couch waiting for the outcome

[Blk07335i]

Eugen, did you or anyone else collect data while running stock or V1.47? I am curious to see if the boost behavior that you object to also occurs with V1 and stock settings.

[stefano7171]

I am sure everybody, including Eugen, will be very happy if Shiv explains that there is no reason to be worried about V2, backing it up with the datalogs he received from Eugen.

Apart from boost spikes, more details about the effect of V2 (33% more fuel request!) on the high pressure fuel pump and fuel consumption would be also much appreciated, I reckon.

I am 100% sure Eugen is sincere and has experienced problems. On the other hand, there are several V2s on the road already and not so many reported problems.... so.....