335is Coupe & Cabriolet / New N55 Specs and Models Excluded

TexasKid · 01-12-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiralOut

This for the upcoming 2011 models? They aren't changing any 2010 models are they? I have a 2010 335 coupe that's getting ready to hit production and I want the N54.

335's and Z4's are keeping the N54.

PHANTOM666 · 01-12-2010, 11:40 AM

Yes, but what about the 1 series? My 2010 135i goes into production in 2 weeks. First week of Feb. to be exact. The N54 was what sold me on the car. What's worse is I'm in Iraq and bought the car offline so I can't see it at all until mid-April, but I'm paying at time of production. My military salesman told me it was the twin-turbo I was buying, but I've never even met the guy. He could be just telling me that for all I know. Online automobile sales are such a headache!

mkoesel · 01-12-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by benmoooon

BMW clearly is using # designation for marketing purposes.

Sure, and so is every other BMW moniker for marketing purposes (by defintion). The reality is that the car was going to cost more regardless of what they call it though. If the x40 automatically meant more money, then all the x35 cars would be called x40 now. They aren't. Only the 740i and 740iL, and the 340i which is only in Australia (for now, and is called the 335is here in the US).

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they will be continuing to use the N52 NA engine in North America.
Europe will be using the inline6 N53 NA engine.

The N52 will die after the models it is currently offered in are replaced, and no new N/A engines will follow any time soon in the US. Even if the X1 or other near term upcoming vehicle is launched with an N52 in the US (which I personally think is only an outside shot) then they will only have it until the turbo four is ready.

mapezzul · 01-12-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKid

335's and Z4's are keeping the N54.

not entirely true- on the "is" versions will have the N54 for 2011.

I have written this a thousand times already.

mapezzul · 01-12-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

Sure, and so is every other BMW moniker for marketing purposes (by defintion). The reality is that the car was going to cost more regardless of what they call it though. If the x40 automatically meant more money, then all the x35 cars would be called x40 now. They aren't. Only the 740i and 740iL, and the 340i which is only in Australia (for now, and is called the 335is here in the US).

The N52 will die after the models it is currently offered in are replaced, and no new N/A engines will follow any time soon in the US. Even if the X1 or other near term upcoming vehicle is launched with an N52 in the US (which I personally think is only an outside shot) then they will only have it until the turbo four is ready.

There will be a 528 in the F10.... but that will have its own launch date and intro as it is a US only vehicle I will discuss this more as it approaches.

mkoesel · 01-12-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

not entirely true- on[ly?] the "is" versions will have the N54 for 2011.

I have written this a thousand times already.

So you are saying that the memo quoted in the OP's post specifiying that the Z4 35i retains the N54 along with the Z4 35is is incorrect, right?

So to be clear, only the Z4 35is, 335is, and 740i/L will keep the N54?

(Just trying to get the facts - or at least prevailing beliefs, if you will - straight).

iceman335 · 01-12-2010, 12:47 PM

According to motorauthority.com: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...clutch-gearbox

This isn't news, strictly speaking, as BMW developed the engine for just such an application. Why, you ask? Because they've managed to get the output of the single twin-scroll turbo to match the twin-turbo's at 300 horsepower, and just as much torque at 300 pound-feet, but it does it 100 rpm earlier. That means less turbo lag, more boost across a wider rev range and therefore, better performance.

mkoesel · 01-12-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

There will be a 528 in the F10.... but that will have its own launch date and intro as it is a US only vehicle I will discuss this more as it approaches.

Cool, and fair enough, but that's only because the I4 is not ready yet. Agree? Come F1x LCI time, the N52 will be replaced by the turbo 4 (and probably called 530i, like I said earlier

).

rubber_ducky · 01-12-2010, 01:00 PM

I'm most curious about what the 335is is going to look like. This car with it's DCT may just keep me in the BMW family.

10beers · 01-12-2010, 02:27 PM

Ok this may be blatantly obvious but no ones said it yet. So what I want to know is where are the other 31 pages from the sales update? WTF!! The other pages are where all the real juicy info is.

Alext · 01-12-2010, 05:14 PM

What I can infer from this is that the Z4 will eventually get the N55 engine in 2012 models...

And the IS versions will keep the N54.

brinx38 · 01-12-2010, 09:01 PM

as seen on the bimmerfile website and already speculated

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2010/01/10...35i-to-follow/

POI

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The 3 series will also receive this same engine switch with an 8 speed transmission later this spring. The recently revealed high performance “iS” version of the 3er will feature a tuned version of the current twin turbo motor (N54) and a 7 speed DCT.

TailHappyM3 · 01-12-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 10beers

Ok this may be blatantly obvious but no ones said it yet. So what I want to know is where are the other 31 pages from the sales update? WTF!! The other pages are where all the real juicy info is.

I'll see what I can do. Not one person has said thanks yet, though.

memex01 · 01-12-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Azorean

I'll see what I can do. Not one person has said thanks yet though.

Thanks for the scan

galahad05 · 01-12-2010, 09:58 PM

Sorry 'bout the lack of rep Azorean: you did a good thing there.

TailHappyM3 · 01-12-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by memex01

Thanks for the scan

You're welcome.

I'll see if I can get the other pages from my friend then scan the important ones. There is stuff there about other models but no promises..... I'll try tomorrow night.

Spitfirocks · 01-12-2010, 10:18 PM

10% reduction in fuel economy? How is this more efficient?

Andrew@ET · 01-12-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfirocks

10% reduction in fuel economy? How is this more efficient?

BMW_03 · 01-12-2010, 10:51 PM

interesting....

brinx38 · 01-12-2010, 11:21 PM

i wonder which will be the popular choice.
335i 8Speed or 335is 7Speed DCT

I guess it will come down to price..

The J-Man · 01-12-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by brinx38

i wonder which will be the popular choice.
335i 8Speed or 335is 7Speed DCT

I guess it will come down to price..

If you look at the new Z4is pricing, I would imagine the 335is w/DCT will be about $5K more than that standard 335 w/8-speed, but we'll see.

galahad05 · 01-12-2010, 11:30 PM

That's quite a steep difference.

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PHANTOM666 Reaper of Speed 0 Rep 66 Posts Drives: 2010 135i Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	Yes, but what about the 1 series? My 2010 135i goes into production in 2 weeks. First week of Feb. to be exact. The N54 was what sold me on the car. What's worse is I'm in Iraq and bought the car offline so I can't see it at all until mid-April, but I'm paying at time of production. My military salesman told me it was the twin-turbo I was buying, but I've never even met the guy. He could be just telling me that for all I know. Online automobile sales are such a headache!
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iceman335 Private First Class 33 Rep 176 Posts Drives: 2012 F25 X3 xDrive35i M-Sport Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose, CA iTrader: (0)	According to motorauthority.com: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...clutch-gearbox This isn't news, strictly speaking, as BMW developed the engine for just such an application. Why, you ask? Because they've managed to get the output of the single twin-scroll turbo to match the twin-turbo's at 300 horsepower, and just as much torque at 300 pound-feet, but it does it 100 rpm earlier. That means less turbo lag, more boost across a wider rev range and therefore, better performance.
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rubber_ducky Colonel 394 Rep 2,997 Posts Drives: roach coach Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: boston-ish iTrader: (21)	I'm most curious about what the 335is is going to look like. This car with it's DCT may just keep me in the BMW family.
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10beers '12 535xi, old '11 335xi, '95 320i 13 Rep 116 Posts Drives: '14 335i GT mineral white Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	Ok this may be blatantly obvious but no ones said it yet. So what I want to know is where are the other 31 pages from the sales update? WTF!! The other pages are where all the real juicy info is.
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Alext Banned 175 Rep 2,042 Posts Drives: B M W Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Everest iTrader: (2)	What I can infer from this is that the Z4 will eventually get the N55 engine in 2012 models... And the IS versions will keep the N54.
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galahad05 Brigadier General 158 Rep 3,158 Posts Drives: '07 335i e90 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island NY iTrader: (0)	Sorry 'bout the lack of rep Azorean: you did a good thing there. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. --Mark Twain
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Spitfirocks Lieutenant 43 Rep 565 Posts Drives: 335i 07 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (5)	10% reduction in fuel economy? How is this more efficient?
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