[RBBMWE46M3]

Originally Posted by vinlikesred

i read about it in another thread that the base software for dinan mod is pre-29.2, therefore, it doesn't have the ill-effect of post-29.2 (nor would it have the benefit, if any, of the post-29.2)

i don't like the idea of taking out the physical unit of ECU and send it to dinan for mod, so i'm waiting to see how bmw handles this issue. when the newer dinan flash can be done with OBC port at the dealership without having to physically remove ECU, AND bmw got no fix by then, i might pull the trigger and do it.

and if bmw turns a blind eye on this issue, this will be my LAST BMW EVER. still kicking myself for not getting cayman s in order to save few bucks...

AGREE....+1...
I currently own 5 BMW products and I will eventually wean myself off of all of them except the bike. (My dad bought that bike new in 1972) Even the tii will go. I feel that everyone here is as pissed as I am with our cars. I have a feeling that BMW is going to try to fist us and make us like it
My dealer (Levin BMW in Scherriville Indiana) Is acting like the complete ass-holes that they are and continue with the crap like I DUNNO Like a bunch of dumb-asses...YO-REH TAAHD
And BMWNA is on the same line...PLEASE WORK WITH YOUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT ON THIS ISSUE.
Oh and by the way, my dealer has the same 4 m3's on his lot that he had when I took my June 1st delivery of my 335xi. That is why I think we are going to get fisted and no remedy to be had...Phuck BMW

[slubu]

I should get my car soon folks. I will report on the lag issue next week.

[Quisp]

From what I have read about the version 30, it hasnt really fixed this problem. There have been some that say it has gotten better and others not. This is my third BMW and I am also disappointed at the way the the level of quality and service seems to have declined over the past 10 years. I was so excited when I decided to get this car. I went to talk to the dealer to order it and thats whe it began. I had to really fight with them in order for them to order the car. For one reason or another they just didnt seems to want thew order and after 6 months of trying to get them to put me on the production list I went to a different dealer 5 hours away rather than deal with the one 15 minutes away. When I went to pick up the car the disappointment got worse. The fit and finsih was not near what my past BMWs were. Orange peel paint, large, ineven gaps between the hood and girill and other body panels, bumper saggin, a lot of little things that used to be th details BMW was known for taking care of, seemed to be ignored. Then came the first time I took it in to have some of those problems addressed. Wow, can you say song and dance. The phrase, "they are all like that" was sued so many times that i had them pull up some of the others in stock. They werent all like that. Then it became "well there really s nothing we can do about that". I think it was at that point I realized things were different and this would probably be my last BMW. Now one year later and all the things that have happend in that time, and I am sure this is my last BMW. Does anyone else feel that they have been let down or disappointed in the way things went for them?
Then when I took the car to have some of those things looked at they sounded like the compulsive liar from the old saturday night live. It like they make shit up as they talked. As they were speaking I was hearing but it made no sense a lot of the time and I would look at them like a dog that heard a strange sound, my head tilted, thinking what the f*# are you talking about? That has nothing to do with the problem I described and makes no sense on this or any other planet. I had such high hopes for this car. It was to be my substitute M3since I couldnt afford an E46 M3 back then and theyear this came out it sounded better. Oh well, such is life in the fast moving , live on the edge life world the BMW owners live in, or i really need to seek professional mental help. Never sure which one it is.

[fidozoom]

We should seriously consider writing to the attorney general of NJ for deceptive marketing practices of BMW. That will get BMW to take notice and fix it instead of giving us lame excuses.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by fidozoom

We should seriously consider writing to the attorney general of NJ for deceptive marketing practices of BMW. That will get BMW to take notice and fix it instead of giving us lame excuses.

Not a bad idea if any of us, especially any law-type-folks, want to give it a whirl. Can't hurt at least. We could send the list that is growing quite nicely on the "check-in" thread...although it's just "forum names" not real names, it still shows that in our relatively amall community, we already have over 20 people with the same claim against BMW.

[hov333]

well said guys. dissapointed here as well. at the least they should re-evaluate their dealers because for the most part, they are the ones that give BMW the bad rep IMO.

[mmike70]

From BMW Engine TechDocs on our N54 engine noted in this post (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38856) :

Utmost importance is attached to turbocharger response in the N54 engine. A delayed response to the driver's command, i.e. the accelerator-pedal position, is not acceptable. The driver therefore must not experience any so-called "turbo lag".

[Quisp]

Oh, I forgot to mention one other beauty that gives a hint of the thoroughness and attention to detail of the dealers in this area. The dealers go through a list of things to checck on the car before you drive away with it. As i was ddriving the 5 hours from the dealer I thought the car hadld so terribly. It was all over the road like it weighed a feather. After a day or two of this I just happoened to check the tire pressure. Each of the four tires was inflated to a different pressure, but the kicker is they ranged from 49psi to 54psi. Hmmmm, little carried away with the air hose, dont you agree?

[RBBMWE46M3]

Originally Posted by Quisp

Oh, I forgot to mention one other beauty that gives a hint of the thoroughness and attention to detail of the dealers in this area. The dealers go through a list of things to checck on the car before you drive away with it. As i was ddriving the 5 hours from the dealer I thought the car hadld so terribly. It was all over the road like it weighed a feather. After a day or two of this I just happoened to check the tire pressure. Each of the four tires was inflated to a different pressure, but the kicker is they ranged from 49psi to 54psi. Hmmmm, little carried away with the air hose, dont you agree?

Must have had a porter fill em up!!

[Quisp]

Something that just crossed my mind. I am going to have the Dinan stage 2 upgrade done. From the posts I have read here, it seems like quite a few people are doing this, in part, to fix this problem that the BMW update created.
I wonder if this is going to have any influence on what BMW does and when. If they do decide to do something, how will they deal with the Dinan people.
The reason I wonder about the effect on what bmw deicdes is that if more and more go to Dinan then it might end up being gor or bad for BMW:

Good fro BMW: those people no longer complain or present a rpoblem to BMW because the Dinan reflash fixed their hesitation issuies and the are happy.

Bad for BMW: The people get the reflash, it removes the lag but it puts the wastegate or fuel pump problem back. They then end up needing one of those replaced and since it would appear that BMW would pay because those problems occu in that model car frequntly and without the Dinan upgrade. Dinan was not the cause.( this would be one they would go back and forth on I beleive)

So if BMW does something and I already have Dinan I would stay with that since i paid and it would have be updated after any progman. By doing that I moght also be passing on any compensation that may be the result of anything that happens whether it is the reult of a legal actionor BMW generosity.
I am not sure, thats why I am putting it out there. I would like to hear what the people think about how this may effect anything.
Thanks

[Archibald Donnington]

Here it goes. Version 30.22 or .022 or w/e is perfect. From when I took my car in (pre-29.2) until I got her back (30.xx) nothing has changed. She drives like she always has, wonderful. The exhaust is a little louder, and I am not sure how I feel about that yet, but everything else, including boost is just right.
aaron

[tek818]

Originally Posted by Archibald Donnington

Here it goes. Version 30.22 or .022 or w/e is perfect. From when I took my car in (pre-29.2) until I got her back (30.xx) nothing has changed. She drives like she always has, wonderful. The exhaust is a little louder, and I am not sure how I feel about that yet, but everything else, including boost is just right.
aaron

any ecu mods?

[Archibald Donnington]

Not yet. It's still up for debate.
aaron

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Archibald Donnington

Here it goes. Version 30.22 or .022 or w/e is perfect. From when I took my car in (pre-29.2) until I got her back (30.xx) nothing has changed. She drives like she always has, wonderful. The exhaust is a little louder, and I am not sure how I feel about that yet, but everything else, including boost is just right.
aaron

Hmm. Can't wait to hear from some others who get this 30.22 (or .022??)
I say that because, you note the exchaust is louder...well, it's louder because the wastegate is open, allowing the gasses to go uninhibited by the turbo, out the exhaust pipes. That then means that it isn't instantly responsive. That then means they didn't fix jack.

BTW - RBBMW - your sig is HI-Larious.

[slubu]

Someone get us the bulletin for version 30.22 please.

[RBBMWE46M3]

Just called the dealer and the SM told me he has not heard of any new ecu upgrade other than the v30.0....
He said that he would call me if he hears any news about v30.???. and that he loves me and the check is in the mail and he wont cum in my mouth...

[i2iSTUDIOS]

just called my SA. My car is in right now to get the lag looked at, I hope they have v30.022

[m_bazeepaymon]

can we just avoid these updates whatsoever? or will are warranties be voided

[i2iSTUDIOS]

Originally Posted by m_bazeepaymon

can we just avoid these updates whatsoever? or will are warranties be voided

yup, you can tell them not to update the software.

[m_bazeepaymon]

Originally Posted by i2iSTUDIOS

yup, you can tell them not to update the software.

I bought my model in 2008 February, I should not have the update or they would've known about my V2 by now

[BmwFanFL]

Originally Posted by Quisp

It really isnt a matter of the amount of torque produced. I think that the issue of turbo lag is the strongest claim anyone would have. Torque and HP, and other measurements will vary from car to car no matter what, but BMW specifically said they eliminated turbo lag. So, if they eliminated it, we should not experience it. The tubos should kick in right away, not seconds later like what is happening. There doesnt rneed to be calculations and measurements taken to determine it.. Either there is lag or there is not, doesnt matter to what degree. and if there is then the claim they are making is false. I thiunk this approach will leave less grey area for anyone to try and work in.

As always this is the opionion of someone who has spent time in fully licensed psychiatric hospitals so I put it out there as something to ponder, not as one who has any legal degree.

Nice post and funny.

When this first arose, I thought some action against BMW was warranted and could work. Speaking informally with some knowledgeable people I know suggests otherwise (strongly). The bottom line is the legal system cars about safety and reliability, and, rarely, MAJOR performance gaps, like 250HP when you say 300. Just a regurgitation of informed opinion, but on hearing the reasoning, I agree with it [I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on tv].

I now think the make-noise approach is best. This community can help by making sure everyone knows the variety of contact points at BMW, etc. BMW would have more perceived risk from losing customers than a legal action.

That's all for now..

[BmwFanFL]

Originally Posted by Quisp

It really isnt a matter of the amount of torque produced. I think that the issue of turbo lag is the strongest claim anyone would have. Torque and HP, and other measurements will vary from car to car no matter what, but BMW specifically said they eliminated turbo lag. So, if they eliminated it, we should not experience it. The tubos should kick in right away, not seconds later like what is happening. There doesnt rneed to be calculations and measurements taken to determine it.. Either there is lag or there is not, doesnt matter to what degree. and if there is then the claim they are making is false. I thiunk this approach will leave less grey area for anyone to try and work in.

As always this is the opionion of someone who has spent time in fully licensed psychiatric hospitals so I put it out there as something to ponder, not as one who has any legal degree.

Nice post and funny.

When this first arose, I thought some action against BMW was warranted and could work. Speaking informally with some knowledgeable people I know suggests otherwise (strongly). The bottom line is the legal system cares about safety and reliability, and, rarely, MAJOR performance gaps, like 250HP when you say 300. Just a regurgitation of informed opinion, but on hearing the reasoning, I agree with it [I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on tv].

I now think the make-noise approach is best. This community can help by making sure everyone knows the variety of contact points at BMW, etc. BMW would have more perceived risk from losing customers than a legal action.

That's all for now..