[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Walked U is ridiculous. I said it.

I personally think your bashing should stop.

My bad if you thought I was bashing, I was just actually trying to stop people from bashing Eugene. Trying to state that no matter what any of us think, he is one of the guys, including WalkedU, who are just really nice and informative and polite to everyone on the forum. I was just afraid people might start bashing Eugene since he was going away from Vishnu, that has happened before on these threads.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by normtrum

You need to stop trying to stir things up. It's unnecessary. Like somebody mentioned above (and I totally agree) shiv was not calling Eugen "ridiculous", he was referring to some of the accusations on this thread as being "ridiculous". Keep it civil, if that's possible. We'll get more information from both parties, instead of them spending time trying to clarify your comments.

I'm confused, how is me saying Eugene and WalkedU are guys who should be respected mean I was stirring things up? I was stating that because people have been known to BASH AND FLAME people who don't support one tuner or another. That is all guys, relax.

[lawdude]

I like Eugen and wholeheartedly agree that he has been a great asset to the boards and no doubt will continue to be. I have no problem with him stopping beta testing for whatever reason be believes he should.

However, it's my opinion that a known beta tester should wait for all beta testing to be complete before proclaiming that he's putting his tuner box up for sale, announcing that it's sold (when it's really not), and insinuating that whatever problems he perceived are insurmountable.

I think Eugen acted with his emotions. Since he's human, and since I also do that from time to time, it's perfectly understandable and perfectly forgiveable. Nevertheless, it opened Shiv and Company up to attacks from every hater within several parsecs. Instead of devoting all resources to putting out a good product, Shiv now has to defend himself from accusations of everything from poor customer service to blowing up engines to dating ugly women. That certainly isn't fair and I'm sure it wasn't Eugen's intentions.

I suspect that, upon reflection, and with the knowledge that there appears to be another knowlegable beta tester who holds an opinion contrary to Eugen's, he probably would have handled the situation differently. No hard feelings Eugen.

Insofar as Shiv is concerned, I suspect he'll have an ironclad non-disclosure agreement with all beta testers in the future.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

My bad if you thought I was bashing, I was just actually trying to stop people from bashing Eugene. Trying to state that no matter what any of us think, he is one of the guys, including WalkedU, who are just really nice and informative and polite to everyone on the forum. I was just afraid people might start bashing Eugene since he was going away from Vishnu, that has happened before on these threads.

This thread went so out of control, that the mods could not even close it.

Nobody should bash nobody, but everyone have to be clear as the water, including Vishnu's team and its customer. Apparently, Eugene has some concerns and it is not being solved by Vishnu, and this may affect us all procede users. Now we have to hear both parties, judge and make our decision.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I like Eugen and wholeheartedly agree that he has been a great asset to the boards and no doubt will continue to be. I have no problem with him stopping beta testing for whatever reason be believes he should.

However, it's my opinion that a known beta tester should wait for all beta testing to be complete before proclaiming that he's putting his tuner box up for sale, announcing that it's sold (when it's really not), and insinuating that whatever problems he perceived are insurmountable.

I think Eugen acted with his emotions. Since he's human, and since I also do that from time to time, it's perfectly understandable and perfectly forgiveable. Nevertheless, it opened Shiv and Company up to attacks from every hater within several parsecs. Instead of devoting all resources to putting out a good product, Shiv now has to defend himself from accusations of everything from poor customer service to blowing up engines to dating ugly women. That certainly isn't fair and I'm sure it wasn't Eugen's intentions.

I suspect that, upon reflection, and with the knowledge that there appears to be another knowlegable beta tester who holds an opinion contrary to Eugen's, he probably would have handled the situation differently. No hard feelings Eugen.

Insofar as Shiv is concerned, I suspect he'll have an ironclad non-disclosure agreement with all beta testers in the future.

are you telling, as a beta tester, you can sleep at night thinking your car engine may blow one day? May not happen, but in his mind things are not as supposed to be, and that make him sleep at night.

Just MO

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by remydlc

are you telling, as a beta tester, you can sleep at night thinking your car engine may blow one day? May not happen, but in his mind things are not as supposed to be, and that make him sleep at night.

Just MO

I did not start this thread ...

[Calvin@Vishnu]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Ok, I have seen the claims over and over like this refuted by Vishnu. There is a 335i in my area that blew the 6th cylinder. NO it wasn't some manufacturing flaw, they were running Procede. I did not hear this from the customer but the dealer and mechanic. The good news, my dealer is mod friendly, so as long as there evidence that a mod was there, they will warranty a failure as they did with this customer.

At the end of the day I just wish people would be honest and say: hey, we make great prower with our product, but it comes at a price: you might blow your engine or turbos because we didn't build the car and don't know REALLY what it can and cannot take. Also, we are a small company and may have some lag time on responding to customer concerns and orders. Finally, our tune is a great tune, but it will have problems. If you wanted perfection, ask BMW M division to tune your car for you, if you want power we are the guys.

Again, just my .02

Where are all these customers that are blowing their motors? I would think that someone would have contacted me about it. And isn't it strange how these claims are always "I heard" so and so blew their motor? Shouldn't these people speak up for themselves?

I'd be more than happy to help them out because this blown motor nonsense has to stop.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by e.n335

I did not start this thread ...

I bet you didnt want to either. I agree with you, you have to go with what your heart is telling you, you are smart enough to do what you think is right. Now, that if Shiv probed you those boots spikes are fine, you are still right, you paid for your car, he didn't.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

Where are all these customers that are blowing their motors? I would think that someone would have contacted me about it. And isn't it strange how these claims are always "I heard" so and so blew their motor? Shouldn't these people speak up for themselves?

I'd be more than happy to help them out because this blown motor nonsense has to stop.

If an N54 blew, we would be the first one to know, ha, they would be a thread even bigger than this one

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by bimmermans54

All of this is soo funny. And yes I am biast, but where is the AA thrown in here? Why so much about Terrys product? AA has proven themselves relentlessly. Customer service is the best, their product has still yet to be beaten by another, and yes, I am willing to race any SSTT, JBS2R whatever. Eugen, I have been doin bmws for years, why do you go with things that are so blinding? AA=30years of bmw knowledge that no one has even come close to. Why go with someone else? I am blown away, AA unit is cheaper than Vishnu, and it NEVER gives 1 second of problems. That boost spike will kill the turbos. So, none the less, eugen, if you like, pm me, and we can further discuss things because you seem to be a very intellegent man, so I would like to speak with you, just so I can get a understanding, please!

i really, really don't mean to start a back and forth, but something about that statement bothers me: AA=30 years of BMW knowledge, right? so was it the 30 yrs that influenced them to contract Shiv to develop the Xede in the first place, or was it something else?

kind of reminds of the chicken and the egg theory.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by remydlc

are you telling, as a beta tester, you can sleep at night thinking your car engine may blow one day? May not happen, but in his mind things are not as supposed to be, and that make him sleep at night.

Just MO

I thought I was being plain. I'll try to be plainer.

Eugen said he's not a tuner. Eugen said Shiv is a tuner. The tuner disagreed with the non-tuner's interpretation of data. Apparently yet another beta tester holds a position contrary to Eugen's.

I said previously that I have no problem with Eugen stopping beta testing for whatever reason he wants. However, Eugen made a rash decision by going public. I don't know anything about his sleep patterns.

I hope that's understandable. That's as slow as I can type.

[grkm3]

e46e92love not to bust ballzs or anything,but I would like to see some proof on the blown 335 engine,This is how rumors start and should be settled right now.

I find it funny that a BMW dealer told you that,maybe they were trying to scare you into not getting a piggy back?

even if an engine blew,the 6th cyl is the one that always would blow up on the e36 M3,the head gasket would crack there because that was the hottest spot.

If a 335 blew a head gasket,it wasnt becasue of the tune,it was because it over heated and melted the head gasket.I think the 335s have heating probles with stock cars shutting down when being tracked,so it could easily happen to any 335.

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

People on this forum seem to be loven the Hateraid. Its in beta testing people, meaning that no one knows what the final outcome is going to be. You find glitches, you fix them, simple. If eugene got shook up because something seems dangerous to his engines integrity then its his prerogative to refrain from further testing. and for those people who are worried about the longevity of their engines, don’t mod them, better yet don’t drive your car, it will last forever.

I know that Shiv has been slow in sending out his V2, myself being one of the people still waiting for mine, and when I send messages about ETA on my V2 I hardly ever get a response, but I have to admit anytime I have ran into a real technical issue, they responded immediately.

I for one am excited about JB2R, Helix, SSTT, and PROcede competing, This will insure that each tuner will be motivated to create a better product then the other. Like most of you, I cant wait to find the true potential of these cars.

Okay I’m done with my rant!

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

Where are all these customers that are blowing their motors? I would think that someone would have contacted me about it. And isn't it strange how these claims are always "I heard" so and so blew their motor? Shouldn't these people speak up for themselves?

I'd be more than happy to help them out because this blown motor nonsense has to stop.

What was up with this guy (not jon, the guy jon was talking about)...? he had a procede, lost his warranty... and his car was bunged up... he had to get a compression test done on it?

I am just asking if anyone knows what happened... not trying to point fingers or make crap up

Originally Posted by jon@themshop

...Look what happened to the guy that didn't fully removed his piggyback and lost his warranty. Now he's coming to my shop for a compression test next week.....

[e.n335]

This whole thread will end nowhere. We will see hoe v2.0.2 will behave, once it is released.

- Eugen

[per]

Originally Posted by e.n335

I did not start this thread ...

Hi Eugen, sorry to hear that you are leaving the V2 train, i really appreciate and respect your Knowledge and helpfulness.
I hope you change your mind, and join it later


BTV Sitting in Silver Bullet bar, Badgastein. Austria going to do some skiing tomorrow, But now I will order 2 beers, one extra for you

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

+1 eugene

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I thought I was being plain. I'll try to be plainer.

Eugen said he's not a tuner. Eugen said Shiv is a tuner. The tuner disagreed with the non-tuner's interpretation of data. Apparently yet another beta tester holds a position contrary to Eugen's.

I said previously that I have no problem with Eugen stopping beta testing for whatever reason he wants. However, Eugen made a rash decision by going public. I don't know anything about his sleep patterns.

I hope that's understandable. That's as slow as I can type.

But remember the cars the beta tester are driving were not given by Vishnu, if I believe something is not right, and i see the tuner is not listening, I'll let the other know as well. He didn't bash Shiv about it, he just said he is taking V2 out b/c he is not comfortable with what's going on.

[vbmw335]

Eugene,

Just wondering if you were able to data log stock car? can you read the log's of a stock car? Would it experience similar boost spikes? If it does …maybe it’s just the nature of a Turbo car.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by per

Hi Eugen, sorry to hear that you are leaving the V2 train, i really appreciate and respect your Knowledge and helpfulness.
I hope you change your mind, and join it later


BTV Sitting in Silver Bullet bar, Badgastein. Austria going to do some skiing tomorrow, But now I will order 2 beers, one extra for you

Enjoy

I am not leaving the train, I quit testing + have my eyes open for possible alternatives.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by vbmw335

Eugene,

Just wondering if you were able to data log stock car? can you read the log's of a stock car? Would it experience similar boost spikes? If it does …maybe it’s just the nature of a Turbo car.

With the stock boost being as low as it is, I doubt you would get any significant spikes.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by remydlc

But remember the cars the beta tester are driving were not given by Vishnu, if I believe something is not right, and i see the tuner is not listening, I'll let the other know as well. He didn't bash Shiv about it, he just said he is taking V2 out b/c he is not comfortable with what's going on.

Exactly the reason for a ND agreement. Has nothing to do with a beta tester's beliefs - beliefs can be right or wrong. Has to do with the fairness of a beta tester being allowed to do harm to another's business before the map even goes public.

If the public version doesn't pass muster, then at that point the beta tester should be able to put the smack-down on the tuner.