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A & B is correct 135i rear caliper bolts up and does not need spacers for the expensive 324x22 Perf rotor. You can get away with using 328i rear oem 300x20 rotor too. Washers/spacers needed to use other cheaper rotors. C e9x all have the same bits & hubs if they all are the same vintage.
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Its this one for e9x hub and 130i hatchbacks 130i, e91 & e9x xi Performance rears 324x24 - 34216795755 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576647 The blank face version of this is no longer in production and it was under part number: 34216787931 and Zimmermann 150.3477.20
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Now for the final phase, I need to find a floating rotor version of this 330i rotor. Not holding my breath...
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The 130i/e91 rotor in Floating rotor is only possible with the CSL e46 rear rotor. M3 e46 CSL rears 328x20 282303304 with 183mm handbrake and a 5 mm spacer to center the caliper. Similar to the 135i front rotor with aluminum hat is this F10 Rear Rotor 330x20 - 34216775287 it can fit the 135i caliper with a 1mm washer as a caliper spacer.
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[edit] So the CSL e46 M3 floating rotor won't work with the LCI e90 328i wheel carrier and hub? Or am I misunderstanding and it requires changing at least the hub to the e91 part? Geez, I need to learn to read... [/edit] The F10 rotor might be a decent alternative. Looks like it's the same sort of design as the Z4 rotor that has been discussed here many times. Which reminds me, I wonder if the Z4 front rotor is equivalent to the 135i front rotor. Oops, never mind. That was the Z4 35is rotor and it's a swap in for the 335i rotor, not the 135i rotor per: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857252 It'd be handy to have solid rotors front and rear with this type of aluminum hat, the F10 rear and something else that might work up front. I already checked with Zeckhausen and they tell me ST hasn't put together an Aerorotor replacement kit for the 135i so that leaves only RB but they've not done anything for the 330i/328i rear brake. Wondering if the F10 rotor and 135i rear caliper is a weight loss or gain over the 328i OE rear brake...
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Comparing the weight of the stock rear brakes with that of the 135i rear caliper plus F10 rotor indicates the stock weight is less by about 300g without pads.
So the weight difference is negligible but the brake torque should be increased assuming the piston diameter of the 135i rear caliper is the same size as that of the stock caliper. No idea how to find out though. And if it's the same and the torque is increased does this improve bias by bringing the rear up to ratio with the 135i front?
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RacingBrake is pleased to be a sponsor of this forum. RB rear two piece rotor in stock size (322x22mm) are available: http://www.racingbrake.com/Two-piece...008-p/2167.htm As noted in the disclaimer, for such a small dia rotor with drum brake equipped, it's impossible to make a two piece rotor with a friction surface wide enough to fit OE pad. However we include a compatible rear pad (same as for EVO rear), or you can trim the OE pad to fit like our E46 M3 rear. 2-pot 350mm rear BBK is also available http://www.racingbrake.com/Big-Brake...ar-p/2395k.htm With matching 4-pot front 380mm brake kit, this set up has helped Scott's team (SCTS Racing) won various championship with their 135i. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...56&postcount=5 Warren-RB |
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This two piece rotor combo are made to fit OE calipers
http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-Iron-R...bmw-irk-05.htm Front: 350x28 (vs. OE 338x28), required caliper spacers are included for a bolt on installation to OE 6 pot. Rear: 322x22 (Same as OE), direct bolt on to OE 2-pot calipers. If you already rebuilt OE calipers with RB components, further installation of these two piece rotors should give you enough brake power you need to win at very affordable pricing. |
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I asked RB last year if they could make a floating rotor to fit the LCI e90 328i rear nub and especially the parking brake diameter and fit a rotor that would work with the bolt-on 135i rear caliper but was referred instead to your BBK. I even offered to pay the NRE but received no response on that. I also use Carbotech XP10 pads so I'd have to change over to something else which I'd be willing to do if the rotors existed for all four corners. I bought a set of front 135i floating rotors from RB but they're still in the original unopened box in the attic while I search for a rear floating rotor solution but it appears there isn't one. Bummer. Thanks for commenting on the subject though.
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If RB was willing to entertain the idea of using a hat with a 160mm drum and correct offset for the LCI 328i e90 which is the same offset for the 330i and 130i (I think) there's likely enough interest for an initial run. I believe this was discussed on the RB boards in the past but without resolution. No solution exists from any supplier so it might be worth considering. If the hat could be small enough in diameter for the rotor to have enough annulus for stock pads that'd be even better but probably not likely.
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The 282303304 p/n must be incomplete, doesn't come up as valid anywhere.
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Same thing? It's the left side rotor, right side is this: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/part...&q=34212282304 Doesn't look like a floating rotor but this site -- http://www.bmwpartsweb.com/Part-Numb..._E095124A.aspx -- describes it as such so must be the right part number then. Confused as to whether the 130i/e91 fitment for this rotor is such that it will work on the LCI e90 328i hub as opposed to the e91 hub.
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FWIW the e46 M3 CSL rotor is about 1.375 lbs lighter than either the 130i/xi Perf Brake or the F10 rotor. So definitely the best option if usable with only a 5mm spacer which would be easily fabricated. And they're only about forty bucks more apiece than the F10 rotors.
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I need to back track through your posts to confirm Check back Sunday evening
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I think the original thread with the F10 idea has weights --> At least when comparing 335i rear Oem rotor vs F10 oem rear rotor Quote:
For Piston, the size should be slightly bigger than 328i. There is a user on 1addicts that has cutomized/refubished 335i caliper, and front 330i/2009 z4 330mm calipers. I think he measured the piston sizes. Quote:
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e9x hubs center the rotors between 328i or 330i or 335i very much identically, the difference is rotor diameter, hense different calipers for 335i This is why 328's can use 335i Calipers and rotors by losing the hand brake(or modifying it to work). 135i brakes work on 128i rears the same way, with hand brake issue. The challenge for e9x to use 135i rears, is the correct rotor to work on e9x hub with 135i rear caliper. Quote:
"#####BMW PN### ATE" Then in google images I was able to find ATE oem spec rotor diagrams for hat height and rotor width. Comparing both images and knowing that F10 needs 1.25mm spacer had me deduce the 5mm spacer. ( You will need to calculate out that longer backing lip that F10 has, since the idea had the back side lip removed on lathe by about 4mm) I hope this helps. Also for the Front 135i caliper - the CSL e46 rotor can work with Dieselboost brackets from Russian user 'tronik'. Also, I do wonder if F30/F2x from 340mmx30mm rotors ( simmilar aluminum hat as 135i OEM 338x24 rotors) can work the 135i calipers because the only obstacle is the 30mm width. Compared to the 28mm width of the CSL rotor, it may just work at worst the pads need to have material removed.
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This is why 328's can use 335i Calipers and rotors by losing the hand brake(or modifying it to work). 135i brakes work on 128i rears the same way, with hand brake issue. The challenge for e9x to use 135i rears, is the correct rotor to work on e9x hub with 135i rear caliper. Exactly. To verify this, I suggest using PN for regular e46m3 rear rotor and the PN for F10 rotor. In Google I searched the following: "#####BMW PN### ATE" Then in google images I was able to find ATE oem spec rotor diagrams for hat height and rotor width. Comparing both images and knowing that F10 needs 1.25mm spacer had me deduce the 5mm spacer. ( You will need to calculate out that longer backing lip that F10 has, since the idea had the back side lip removed on lathe by about 4mm) I hope this helps. Also for the Front 135i caliper - the CSL e46 rotor can work with Dieselboost brackets from Russian user 'tronik'. Also, I do wonder if F30/F2x from 340mmx30mm rotors ( simmilar aluminum hat as 135i OEM 338x24 rotors) can work the 135i calipers because the only obstacle is the 30mm width. Compared to the 28mm width of the CSL rotor, it may just work at worst the pads need to have material removed.[/QUOTE] OK, many thanks, I think I got it now. So the plan is to use the e46 M3 CSL rotors on the rear axle and have the shop fabricate 5mm spacers for the 135i rear calipers. I can get both from getbmwparts.com for a reasonable price. I have RacingBrake front 2-piece rotors for the 135i brakes already on the car but they can't use the XP10 pads. So I'm thinking Pagid RS29 but need to know from RB first if this material is ok to use with their rotors. If so then the solution is fairly straightforward to get floating rotors and fixed calipers on the car at less than half the cost of a BBK. The only other issue is the parking brake shoes. I'm ordering the e46 M3 shoes as I think you mentioned in another thread they're 30mm instead of 20mm and provide a better match to the drum. I've already talked with the car chief about the required welding and it's no problem but he may find another solution. Really do appreciate all the help, you've been a helluva resource on this, especially with the search string for the rotor dimensions, haven't been able to find anything on that yet.
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The e46 m3 /e60 hand brake shoes are 163mm diameter and 30mm wide surface. They can me made to work using some small triangle metal welding or grinding at the spots that catch metal Tab of the hub. They also need 135i handbrake shoe baking plates to provide the 2 mounting holes for the brake shoe Pivot point screws/pins. I do have some post on here that shows the welding/grinding areas for e46 m3 handbrake shoes. This path avoids doing the C shaped cut of the 335i brake shoes to weld onto 328i brake shoes: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=824 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...3&postcount=13 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...8&postcount=14
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128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE
In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is Last edited by andrey_gta; 01-25-2016 at 12:16 PM.. |
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