M57 Colt Camshaft install

dmanb2b · 01-09-2018, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

Honestly, not sure. I planned on finishing up today but, now I'm debating changing the timing chains, tensioner and guides while I'm this deep in the engine. I just don't want an issue with a 165k mile chain or tensioner. Not sure though, I might try and fire it up.

Maybe Matt or Andrew can hook you up with a quick shipment. Makes sense to replace chain unless you are going back into it again. Great to see things progressing well

335dsleeper · 01-09-2018, 11:17 AM

I have decided to pull the timing cover and replace the tensioner, chain and guides. I'm not really in a rush and I think this is the best thing to do. Last thing I need is to snap a chain and damaging the engine.

da_trem · 01-09-2018, 11:41 AM

Its a wise decision. Parts are not expensive.
Thats also what i did on mine the first time i opened it.

Torqu3 · 01-09-2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

I have decided to pull the timing cover and replace the tensioner, chain and guides. I'm not really in a rush and I think this is the best thing to do. Last thing I need is to snap a chain and damaging the engine.

I had heard a timing chain requires you to pull the engine on this engine. Is that not the case? Appreciate the thread! Great info in here!

335dsleeper · 01-09-2018, 12:33 PM

I don't see why. I can remove the timing cover with the engine in the car.

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Originally Posted by Torqu3

I had heard a timing chain requires you to pull the engine on this engine. Is that not the case? Appreciate the thread! Great info in here!

dmanb2b · 01-09-2018, 06:30 PM

Torqu3, you may be thinking N57?

335dsleeper · 01-09-2018, 08:01 PM

Pretty sure this is going to suck! Looks like I'm going all in.

Ordering all the parts tomorrow. Likely going to purchase the Fluidamper damper as well. It'll be a lot of work, a lot more than I originally planned on but, I think it will be worth it in the long run. I do plan on keeping the car for the foreseeable future, mine as well do it right!

I'm relatively certain I'll need to either pull the head or drop the oil pan. Maybe both. Not sure yet.

The part list from BMW is $326, which isn't bad but, the parts are in Germany and there's a 14-21 day lead time.

At this point, the cover is just about ready to come off, once I commit to removing the head or pan.

Miko226 · 01-09-2018, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

Honestly, not sure. I planned on finishing up today but, now I'm debating changing the timing chains, tensioner and guides while I'm this deep in the engine. I just don't want an issue with a 165k mile chain or tensioner. Not sure though, I might try and fire it up.

Good call might as well if you can.

Torqu3 · 01-10-2018, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dmanb2b

Torqu3, you may be thinking N57?

Good catch. That's possible.

turbo_chris · 01-10-2018, 08:35 PM

Timing chain on a N57 has a master link. It can be fed in while rotating the engine and removing the old one at the same time.

Excited to see what these cams and valve springs do!

Andy198712 · 01-11-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_chris

Timing chain on a N57 has a master link. It can be fed in while rotating the engine and removing the old one at the same time.

Excited to see what these cams and valve springs do!

with the engine in the car? thats a gem of knowledge!

robnitro · 01-11-2018, 05:35 PM

But with the master link method, there's no replacement of the tensioner?
Also we have 2 chains: crank to pump, pump to cams from the diagrams.

335dsleeper · 01-11-2018, 11:38 PM

Well, after messing with the m57, I don’t see anyway to snake a chain in if ours had a master link. You’d have to be some sort of ninja. Not to mention you’d have to turn the engine over to fish the end up to connect. Can’t turn the crank with cams installed on the m57 or you’ll hit the valve.

Not much new on the 335d. Spent the day working on the X5. I did push the car onto the lift and will mess with it over the next few days. Ordering parts tomorrow.

BB_cuda · 01-16-2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

Well, after messing with the m57, I don’t see anyway to snake a chain in if ours had a master link. You’d have to be some sort of ninja. Not to mention you’d have to turn the engine over to fish the end up to connect. Can’t turn the crank with cams installed on the m57 or you’ll hit the valve.

Not much new on the 335d. Spent the day working on the X5. I did push the car onto the lift and will mess with it over the next few days. Ordering parts tomorrow.

If I had to pick, I would pull oil pan and fish it through down there. The oil pan gasket is an eventual change out anyway, I'm told. Good luck with the work and let us know what happens.

335dsleeper · 02-02-2018, 03:29 PM

Chains guides, tensioners and gaskets arrived today. Hoping to get it running soon.

ASBSECU E93 · 02-02-2018, 05:00 PM

Can't wait to hear the results!

ASBSECU E93 · 02-15-2018, 03:23 PM

Bump

Lindgren87 · 02-15-2018, 03:53 PM

Just made an acc. to follow the project.
Very interesting

335dsleeper · 02-15-2018, 05:55 PM

Sadly, there’s no update. Car is on the lift and the parts are here. I’ve been busy with the fam and this weekend we’re going out of town.

I also had to replace tires on the X5, installed rear camber arms and had it aligned. That ate into my car repair time.

It’ll get done soon. Sorry for the delay!

BB_cuda · 02-15-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

Sadly, there’s no update. Car is on the lift and the parts are here. I’ve been busy with the fam and this weekend we’re going out of town.

I also had to replace tires on the X5, installed rear camber arms and had it aligned. That ate into my car repair time.

It’ll get done soon. Sorry for the delay!

Don't want to pollute this thread. Please write a separate thread about those X5 camber arms. I know you have mega miles on it. thanks

335dsleeper · 02-15-2018, 07:35 PM

I posted info in the e70 forum.

The oem arms were still in great shape and useable. I only installed the arms to add + camber to help get toe in check.

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Originally Posted by BB_cuda

Don't want to pollute this thread. Please write a separate thread about those X5 camber arms. I know you have mega miles on it. thanks

Miko226 · 02-16-2018, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

Can't wait to hear the results!

+1

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335dsleeper Banned 389 Rep 1,623 Posts Drives: 09' 335d 10'35D Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk, va iTrader: (0)	I have decided to pull the timing cover and replace the tensioner, chain and guides. I'm not really in a rush and I think this is the best thing to do. Last thing I need is to snap a chain and damaging the engine.
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da_trem Second Lieutenant 84 Rep 214 Posts Drives: 2009 335d Join Date: May 2016 Location: Montreal iTrader: (5) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [0.00]	Its a wise decision. Parts are not expensive. Thats also what i did on mine the first time i opened it. __________________ 2009 335d Take a look here; Build thread: https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1482039 Full album here : http://imageshack.com/a/KoPl/1
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dmanb2b Banned 2125 Rep 3,368 Posts Drives: G07, F97, F30, E90, E46, E30 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NY iTrader: (5)	Torqu3, you may be thinking N57?
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335dsleeper Banned 389 Rep 1,623 Posts Drives: 09' 335d 10'35D Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk, va iTrader: (0)	Pretty sure this is going to suck! Looks like I'm going all in. Ordering all the parts tomorrow. Likely going to purchase the Fluidamper damper as well. It'll be a lot of work, a lot more than I originally planned on but, I think it will be worth it in the long run. I do plan on keeping the car for the foreseeable future, mine as well do it right! I'm relatively certain I'll need to either pull the head or drop the oil pan. Maybe both. Not sure yet. The part list from BMW is $326, which isn't bad but, the parts are in Germany and there's a 14-21 day lead time. At this point, the cover is just about ready to come off, once I commit to removing the head or pan.
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turbo_chris Second Lieutenant 51 Rep 260 Posts Drives: 11 E90 335D, 13 X5D Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	Timing chain on a N57 has a master link. It can be fed in while rotating the engine and removing the old one at the same time. Excited to see what these cams and valve springs do!
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robnitro Captain 160 Rep 803 Posts Drives: x5 35d e70 2011 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: NYC area iTrader: (0)	But with the master link method, there's no replacement of the tensioner? Also we have 2 chains: crank to pump, pump to cams from the diagrams.
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335dsleeper Banned 389 Rep 1,623 Posts Drives: 09' 335d 10'35D Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk, va iTrader: (0)	Well, after messing with the m57, I don’t see anyway to snake a chain in if ours had a master link. You’d have to be some sort of ninja. Not to mention you’d have to turn the engine over to fish the end up to connect. Can’t turn the crank with cams installed on the m57 or you’ll hit the valve. Not much new on the 335d. Spent the day working on the X5. I did push the car onto the lift and will mess with it over the next few days. Ordering parts tomorrow.
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335dsleeper Banned 389 Rep 1,623 Posts Drives: 09' 335d 10'35D Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk, va iTrader: (0)	Chains guides, tensioners and gaskets arrived today. Hoping to get it running soon. Attached Images
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