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03-31-2013, 01:18 AM | #67 | ||
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I'd love to jump in on that if I were in the country for more than two weeks at a time. (Most)Everyone else in this thread.... Haters gonna hate, taters gonna tate. The more options we have the better, hardware, software, or otherwise. Everyone has a different idea of what 'better' is regarding performance. Competition is good for a variety of 'better', so long as it's not followed by vitriolic hate.
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03-31-2013, 05:07 AM | #69 |
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It really is a crying shame that this thread degenerated the way it did. I honestly feel terrible for Shiv. He has been tuning professionally for 20 years and has dedicated the last 6 years of his career to the N54 platform. Here he is trying to educate someone whose biased ignorance is quite frankly reprehensible and the swarm of bees from the other forum descend on him. Give the guy a break. You guys are polluting e90post with all your hate.
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I try to stay silent on these type of thread but when it comes to sound engineering principals, we need to all be on the same page. |
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03-31-2013, 10:30 AM | #72 |
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Let me break it down for you all:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted. Gasoline has an amount of energy that is released when it is burned. This amount is a constant, it does NOT change. That energy MUST be fully present on both sides of the equation. Work in MUST equal work out. The turbo's efficiency means nothing when speaking about energy. Turbo efficiency deals with airflow capabilities. So, let's go over this. If i put 1 gallon of gasoline through a combustion engine, i MUST hget one gallon of energy out. The more efficient the motor, the more energy gets converted to work. All remaining energy is left in the form of heat. So....if a turbo SHOULD be making x amount of power(converting more energy to work), but is making a good bit less power, then guess where all that unused energy is going? HEAT!!!! And since the only place it can go is through the exhaust, in the coolant, oil and metals in the engine., i woul say it is EMPIRICAL evidence that Tony's EGT's were unfavorably high for that/those runs. Can we all please get along now, and if not, start banning the people that drag this site down? Please and thank you. |
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03-31-2013, 10:44 AM | #73 |
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Needs more Q, W, E, Deltas and some entropy inequalities.
Oh and you might want to rethink that whole thing with the this consideration; You are considering fuel to be the limiting agent. What about available oxygen(air)? Remember you aren't actually burning gasoline, you're burning oxygen. Gasoline just makes that easier(possible). Just because we have a limited source of gasoline on board relative to the source of oxygen doesn't automatically mean it is the gasoline that is the limiting factor. This is where I admit I have no idea which one is which. I just like mashing the right most pedal. |
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03-31-2013, 11:00 AM | #74 | |
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03-31-2013, 11:37 AM | #76 |
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Shiv is stating info on the standard of running high boost low octane gas.
More boost + 91oct = hotter engine If you run something like e85 you can run more boost because the gas burns at a lower temp. My OPINION Vargas gave dyno info two weeks or so ago on he's twins. But what since I think he's experiencing things that shiv has overcome thus taking so long to dish out numbers and data logs. |
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03-31-2013, 11:42 AM | #77 | |
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Take your offensive and knowledge lacking thoughts elsewhere.
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03-31-2013, 12:43 PM | #79 | |
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Do you notice how Vargas or RB haven't poked their heads in this thread? People are always on Shiv because he ALWAYS feels the need to pop in to rip his competitors apart, and try and force-feed his stuff on everyone. I don't think anyone has ever argued that he is not very good at what he does.... but people get pissed off because according to Shiv his tunes and mods are the only ones that are perfect in every single way and they are well suited for everyone (mothers and children included), and his competitors all run on race gas yet claim they are on 91, and Vargas dyno'd in 5'th gear and not 4'th....it goes on and on. Shiv should be focused on improving his business/tunes and mods, not trying to degrade his competitors in every thread. Shiv also claims his single turbo upgrade is a daily driver.... yet he has drag radials, no front seat, and a lightweight flywheel among every other possible upgrade in the engine bay. Gimme a break. I am sorry but his kit is NOT for everyone and there is nothing wrong with that. His single turbo kit IS STILL BAD AS HELL. He was the first guy to really give amazing HP figures. Saying that however some people don't want to drop 10k on a turbo upgrade. So you have Rob Beck who has some pretty nicely tried and tested turbo upgrade options for people who want a little more power but not the whole car redone like stage 3 Vargas or the Shiv single. Same goes for Vargas, some people don't want to spend that money or do those mods to the car. Shiv, Tony and Beck are all accomplished and have accomplished tunes and mods.... and all three have bad-ass HP numbers. The difference is Vargas and Beck at least have the respect for each other as competitors not to chime in EVERY SINGLE TIME a member posts a thread and continually bash each other. The same goes for COBB and JB4. They don't even bother responding to Shiv because there is just no winning with him. He is always right, and what he says should be considered Bible. It took Shiv 6 posts to come into this thread and start a war (his early posts have since been deleted). Again, Shiv is accomplished and I am sure in person a great guy. Some people browse this forum because they want to hear about the different upgrade options, they want to see figures from different competitors, they want to get a taste of different mods/tunes and kits at different price points. Every thread that is titled 'Vargas 3 Vs. Vishnu Single' will always turn into a war because Shiv won't let the thread progress into an informative thread that can benefit everyone. Last edited by shaginwagon13; 03-31-2013 at 12:48 PM.. |
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03-31-2013, 12:59 PM | #80 | |
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If you cannot distinguish attacks from factual and informative statements, perhaps a technical forum isn't for you. Lastly, you stated that my early posts in this thread have been deleted? Who is telling you this? Nothing of mine has been deleted. Shiv |
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03-31-2013, 01:02 PM | #81 | |
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But to prove my point I did try to go back to Page 1 of this thread for some Shiv quotes.... its too bad your beginning posts were all deleted they would have proved my point. EDIT: Wait you actually don't believe you rip your competitors? Is that a joke? COBB-JB4-Beck-Vargas all seem to get along just fine. Yes they each want to be the best, but you take it to the next level with your tactics. I wonder why your the odd one out of the group. |
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Was that intelligent post based on Shiv having operational EGT sensors during his ST testing?
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There's a lot of (semi-sound)theory and assumptions being tossed around.
Shiv, do you you have any EGT sensor data you provide on what the ST kits see? I am not asking for engine theory, i'm talking actual sensor data. My understanding of the VTT kit is that the next step in the process is EGT data gathering and reporting(hopefully full disclosure... but we'll see.)
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Same goes for your claim that my "beginning posts were all deleted." They were not. Which leads me to believe that you may be a liar. You accuse me of tactics, yet you are one of the few people that are so hell bent in deceiving others. Surely someone has a screen shot proving the existence of my attacking posts. Maybe they are cached somewhere? If you cannot provide any of this, perhaps you are excuse yourself from this discussion and enjoy your Easter Sunday. |
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03-31-2013, 01:17 PM | #85 | |
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Ive been driving the car all over the bay area since getting it back and it has been running flawlessly. (Took it to Napa Friday, Saturday to Walnut Creek and ran it hard a bunch of times going up and down hwy 24, Today i'm going over to Half Moon Bay) And still driving with no meth and on our Cali 91 gas. I just want to say that when Tony asked me about doing this project I wanted to use Shiv as our tuner and Tony even reached out to him and got his cell phone number. Me and Tony have used Shiv back in the day when I had a turbo Integra and Tony a turbo Passat. I meet Shiv again recently at his house when he helped me with a missing issue. (Remember Shiv it was the day you brought back your Ferret and we went by your moms house in my car) I mean I just bought and updated my Procede to a Rev 3 with two step and NLS just before handing my car to Tony. When Tony told me he was tuning my car with a Cobb I was like "Oh" "OK" I would have been happy with anyone tuning the car (I just liked Shiv cause he was local to me and I've had a past with him) But the nice thing about this kit is it can be tuned by whoever you want. Its just getting that tuner to help you tune it. My point of this message is daily driving this car has been fine, Is it perfect probably not, But I am turning the car over to Tony Tuesday and the rest should be dialed in soon when the Cobb boys fly in. I'm hoping to come spectate at the airport event next week (But I think I read all spectator pass were sold) Happy Easter everyone. |
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I'm not going to argue with you, people here know what you do and how you do it. I'm not going to pour back over all the previous threads were you and Cobb, You and Terry, You and Tony, You and Rob got into arguments. You seem to have lots of time on your hands, you should do some investigating on your own posts. It won't take you long. |
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