Upgrade of Stereo System

mraghvani · 08-22-2014, 06:56 AM

Hiya,

This is my first post here, so please bare with me.

I have recently bought a E91 330d M Sport Touring 2006 with the base system (I think thats what its called)

Now I want to update the sound system and have read a number of guides here and Im getting more confused, the more I read.

You see I've upgraded all 4 of my door speakers with Focal IFBMW-C and looking to add a JL sub and AMP in the boot just for the sub.

Question is: How do I go about adding an after market amplifier to my stock stereo 'Professional' Navigation System CCC SA609. I was hoping it was a simple case of connecting RCA connectors

Either I missed a brilliant thread relating to my scenario or no one has ever bothered go down this route

Any help to links or advice is highly appreciated

Thanks in advance

emoon3 · 08-22-2014, 08:14 AM

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64582

335m · 08-22-2014, 09:36 AM

You want to fit a sub and an amp into a boot?

ctuna · 08-22-2014, 10:06 AM

If all you added was door speakers to a base system
an you think adding a sub woofer will help you are headed
down the wrong path.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323
talk to this guy
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704363
never the less
subwoofer threads
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=Ultimate+Sub
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=subwoofer
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66

mraghvani · 08-22-2014, 12:43 PM

Wow thxs for the replies and links. I got my work cut out this weekend and will check the cabling in the rear and like the setup of 2) Trunk on this link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66

I saw this:

Hi/Lo convertor > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3710929864...84.m1423.l2649

Sub Box > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1513712476...84.m1423.l2649

Sub > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1214036253...84.m1423.l2649

What do you reckon for a 1st time project ?

ctuna · 08-23-2014, 12:07 AM

Like I said you are going down the wrong path.
If you have the base system you need to upgrade the amplification
for all speakers and get rid of the non flat eq curve on the head unit
first. You should talk to Makkan00 about this as he is your local expert.
If you upgrade the under seats properly they will make more difference to
the over all sound than a sub in the trunk . But if you are a BAss Head
then its your issue.

Wongway · 08-23-2014, 12:39 AM

...I don't get it.

1) Since this is based in the UK, I'm guessing their equipment levels can be different, so Are you sure you have the base system? With 2 speakers in the door, 2 in the rear deck and 2 speakers under your front seats?

2) Is there an amplifier already in the trunk(boot)?

3) If you read the sticky up above and knew you had the base audio system, why would you spend so much money on speakers without even;
a)fixing the horrible sound that's going to them from the head unit
b)getting an amplifier to those speakers you spent all your money on?

4) Like ctuna said above, the last thing you should be worrying about right now is a subwoofer.

ctuna · 08-23-2014, 04:47 AM

something like this would have been better.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366

http://www.monsteraudiodesign.co.uk/...one-120-4-dsp/

There are no rca's in any BMW Oem system.

mraghvani · 08-25-2014, 05:37 AM

So I spent abit more time with my UK motor and did some further checks and found there to be a speaker until each front seat.

Now I'm starting to think I may have rushed into buying my FOCAL coaxial's for the doors, and cannot return them

I've decided to follow the path of upgrading the floor speakers and install a 4 channel GENESIS amp that I've had for many years before going down the sub in the boot route.

I also checked whats lurking in the boot under the panel and have:

Now to check what cables do what and try and get them hooked up to my GENESIS amp once I find a thread.

Will keep you posted, thanks in advance

Technic · 08-27-2014, 07:14 AM

That is not an audio amplifier; your OEM system does not have an audio amplifier.

mraghvani · 08-27-2014, 07:28 AM

Oh no, does that mean I am not able to upgrade to a sub/amp in the boot using one of your harnesses ?

Can you recommend any options ? ideally I would like all 4 door coaxials and the underseat bass units all connected to an amp in the rear boot ? maybe an additional sub too

emoon3 · 08-27-2014, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mraghvani

Oh no, does that mean I am not able to upgrade to a sub/amp in the boot using one of your harnesses ?

Can you recommend any options ? ideally I would like all 4 door coaxials and the underseat bass units all connected to an amp in the rear boot ? maybe an additional sub too

Technic had a harness for your system. I'm not sure he still makes that particular one (I don't know why, but I think I remember him saying he was no longer making harnesses for the non HiFi, non HK e90s, but he can chime in here)

If he doesn't, I have one I can sell you, but like I said, check with him first.

mraghvani · 08-27-2014, 11:28 AM

I've already installed 4 x Focal IFBMW-C and now know there running off the stock stereo "Professional Navigation System CCC SA609"

I want to replace the floor bass speakers and have all six speakers running of a 4 channel GENESIS Profile 4 amp (that Ive had for many years) and the amp only accepts RCA connections

Better still have the 2 rear doors running off the stock stereo and use the 4 channel amp to power the front coaxials and floor bass speakers

Technic · 08-27-2014, 11:48 AM

Are that Genesis amp inputs high level (8V+) compatible?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mraghvani

I've already installed 4 x Focal IFBMW-C and now know there running off the stock stereo "Professional Navigation System CCC SA609"

I want to replace the floor bass speakers and have all six speakers running of a 4 channel GENESIS Profile 4 amp (that Ive had for many years) and the amp only accepts RCA connections

Better still have the 2 rear doors running off the stock stereo and use the 4 channel amp to power the front coaxials and floor bass speakers

mraghvani · 08-27-2014, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technic

Are that Genesis amp inputs high level (8V+) compatible?

The Input Sensitivity is 0.3 - 4 volts so Im guessing its not 8v+

Ive just realised how old they really are, back in 1998 I bought'em and hell they may not even fire up.

So if I were to buy a new amp from the UK, which covers the whole of my setup, does anyone have any recommendations on make & model ?

Technic · 08-27-2014, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mraghvani

The Input Sensitivity is 0.3 - 4 volts so Im guessing its not 8v+

Ive just realised how old they really are, back in 1998 I bought'em and hell they may not even fire up.

So if I were to buy a new amp from the UK, which covers the whole of my setup, does anyone have any recommendations on make & model ?

Any high level (8V+), signal sensing, 4ch aftermarket amp will do.

ctuna · 08-27-2014, 01:46 PM

Jl audio amps are the defacto standard but (jl audio xd600/6)
you are still overlooking the frequency flattening
you should do with the base system either by recoding
the head unit to Hi Fi output or the use of a processor or frequency flattening device such
as the Jl cleansweep. I don't know if you bothered to read the links
I gave you but that Mosconi/Gladen setup takes care of that with
a built in processor in the amp . Yes its a little pricy but many
have used and the reported results are outstanding. It only gives you 4 channels which means the backs wouldn't be powered. The stereo purists
here believe the back channels are pretty useless anyway.
Also Makkan00 has free configuration files for the Mosconi/Gladen
setup and it is well supported in the forums around London.
Makkan00 can do coding or do stereo stuff locally(London Essex) he has
a lot of experience with these systems.

Base Stereo info (the ampless system)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=graph

mraghvani · 08-28-2014, 05:09 AM

All, I appreciate all the info provided here. I've decided to sell my really old amps and start afresh.

ctuna, I did read up on the Mosconi/Gladen amp and thought I'd get away with using my old amps, but this is not the case anymore. Thinking about buying the Mosconi Gladen One 120.4 DSP – 4 Channel Amplifier with DSP and will speak with monsteraudiodesign.co.uk and will liaise with Makkan00 going forward.

I would still like the rear door speakers to work, if its with the Base stereo, then thats fine. Or maybe theres a Mosconi 6 channel amp - need to do more digging...

Do you think I'll still need a harness from Technic for the Mosconi amp or will this do: Mosconi Quadlock – 2 and 4 Channel Plug & Play Cable Harnesses.... I would prefer to just connect things up in the boot rather than remove panels etc thru out the whole car

ctuna · 08-28-2014, 05:26 AM

tony20009 · 08-28-2014, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mraghvani

Hiya,

This is my first post here, so please bare with me.

...

Welcome to B-post.

One bit of advice....please refrain from asking members to disrobe. LOL It just sends the wrong message.

All the best.

mraghvani · 08-28-2014, 06:44 AM

Many thanks for all your help on this one and to all those thread links, I'll find the time to go thru them all and keep you all posted with the progress

emoon3 · 08-28-2014, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mraghvani

All, I appreciate all the info provided here. I've decided to sell my really old amps and start afresh.

ctuna, I did read up on the Mosconi/Gladen amp and thought I'd get away with using my old amps, but this is not the case anymore. Thinking about buying the Mosconi Gladen One 120.4 DSP – 4 Channel Amplifier with DSP and will speak with monsteraudiodesign.co.uk and will liaise with Makkan00 going forward.

I would still like the rear door speakers to work, if its with the Base stereo, then thats fine. Or maybe theres a Mosconi 6 channel amp - need to do more digging...

Do you think I'll still need a harness from Technic for the Mosconi amp or will this do: Mosconi Quadlock – 2 and 4 Channel Plug & Play Cable Harnesses.... I would prefer to just connect things up in the boot rather than remove panels etc thru out the whole car

You can also look at the Match PP82DSP. It has the full Helix DSP and an 8 channel amp in one box. PM 6spdcoupe and he can give you more info. (Don, do NOT sell him my unit though lol).

08-22-2014, 06:56 AM	#1
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Upgrade of Stereo System Hiya, This is my first post here, so please bare with me. I have recently bought a E91 330d M Sport Touring 2006 with the base system (I think thats what its called) Now I want to update the sound system and have read a number of guides here and Im getting more confused, the more I read. You see I've upgraded all 4 of my door speakers with Focal IFBMW-C and looking to add a JL sub and AMP in the boot just for the sub. Question is: How do I go about adding an after market amplifier to my stock stereo 'Professional' Navigation System CCC SA609. I was hoping it was a simple case of connecting RCA connectors Either I missed a brilliant thread relating to my scenario or no one has ever bothered go down this route Any help to links or advice is highly appreciated Thanks in advance
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08-22-2014, 08:14 AM	#2
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08-22-2014, 09:36 AM	#3
335m Major 123 Rep 1,166 Posts Drives: 08 e92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Austin Texas iTrader: (1)	You want to fit a sub and an amp into a boot? __________________ 2008 e92 M3: Gintani Sport w/ Topspeed Catless X-Pipe, KW-V3
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08-22-2014, 10:06 AM	#4
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	If all you added was door speakers to a base system If all you added was door speakers to a base system an you think adding a sub woofer will help you are headed down the wrong path. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323 talk to this guy http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704363 never the less subwoofer threads http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=Ultimate+Sub http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=subwoofer http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66
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08-22-2014, 12:43 PM	#5
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Wow thxs for the replies and links. I got my work cut out this weekend and will check the cabling in the rear and like the setup of 2) Trunk on this link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=66 I saw this: Hi/Lo convertor > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3710929864...84.m1423.l2649 Sub Box > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1513712476...84.m1423.l2649 Sub > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1214036253...84.m1423.l2649 What do you reckon for a 1st time project ?
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08-23-2014, 12:07 AM	#6
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Like I said you are going down the wrong path. Like I said you are going down the wrong path. If you have the base system you need to upgrade the amplification for all speakers and get rid of the non flat eq curve on the head unit first. You should talk to Makkan00 about this as he is your local expert. If you upgrade the under seats properly they will make more difference to the over all sound than a sub in the trunk . But if you are a BAss Head then its your issue. Last edited by ctuna; 08-23-2014 at 12:13 AM..
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08-23-2014, 12:39 AM	#7
Wongway Captain 28 Rep 609 Posts Drives: 328i xdrive Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pittsburgh, PA iTrader: (0)	...I don't get it. 1) Since this is based in the UK, I'm guessing their equipment levels can be different, so Are you sure you have the base system? With 2 speakers in the door, 2 in the rear deck and 2 speakers under your front seats? 2) Is there an amplifier already in the trunk(boot)? 3) If you read the sticky up above and knew you had the base audio system, why would you spend so much money on speakers without even; a)fixing the horrible sound that's going to them from the head unit b)getting an amplifier to those speakers you spent all your money on? 4) Like ctuna said above, the last thing you should be worrying about right now is a subwoofer.
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08-23-2014, 04:47 AM	#8
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	something like this would have been better. something like this would have been better. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366 http://www.monsteraudiodesign.co.uk/...one-120-4-dsp/ There are no rca's in any BMW Oem system.
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08-25-2014, 05:37 AM	#9
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	So I spent abit more time with my UK motor and did some further checks and found there to be a speaker until each front seat. Now I'm starting to think I may have rushed into buying my FOCAL coaxial's for the doors, and cannot return them I've decided to follow the path of upgrading the floor speakers and install a 4 channel GENESIS amp that I've had for many years before going down the sub in the boot route. I also checked whats lurking in the boot under the panel and have: Now to check what cables do what and try and get them hooked up to my GENESIS amp once I find a thread. Will keep you posted, thanks in advance Attached Images
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08-27-2014, 07:14 AM	#10
Technic Lieutenant General 2285 Rep 12,999 Posts Drives: 2021 i3S, 2024 i4 M50 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida iTrader: (18)	That is not an audio amplifier; your OEM system does not have an audio amplifier.
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08-27-2014, 07:28 AM	#11
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Oh no, does that mean I am not able to upgrade to a sub/amp in the boot using one of your harnesses ? Can you recommend any options ? ideally I would like all 4 door coaxials and the underseat bass units all connected to an amp in the rear boot ? maybe an additional sub too
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08-27-2014, 11:28 AM	#13
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	I've already installed 4 x Focal IFBMW-C and now know there running off the stock stereo "Professional Navigation System CCC SA609" I want to replace the floor bass speakers and have all six speakers running of a 4 channel GENESIS Profile 4 amp (that Ive had for many years) and the amp only accepts RCA connections Better still have the 2 rear doors running off the stock stereo and use the 4 channel amp to power the front coaxials and floor bass speakers
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08-27-2014, 01:46 PM	#17
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Jl audio amps are the defacto standard but Jl audio amps are the defacto standard but (jl audio xd600/6) you are still overlooking the frequency flattening you should do with the base system either by recoding the head unit to Hi Fi output or the use of a processor or frequency flattening device such as the Jl cleansweep. I don't know if you bothered to read the links I gave you but that Mosconi/Gladen setup takes care of that with a built in processor in the amp . Yes its a little pricy but many have used and the reported results are outstanding. It only gives you 4 channels which means the backs wouldn't be powered. The stereo purists here believe the back channels are pretty useless anyway. Also Makkan00 has free configuration files for the Mosconi/Gladen setup and it is well supported in the forums around London. Makkan00 can do coding or do stereo stuff locally(London Essex) he has a lot of experience with these systems. Base Stereo info (the ampless system) http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=graph Last edited by ctuna; 08-27-2014 at 02:00 PM..
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08-28-2014, 05:09 AM	#18
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	All, I appreciate all the info provided here. I've decided to sell my really old amps and start afresh. ctuna, I did read up on the Mosconi/Gladen amp and thought I'd get away with using my old amps, but this is not the case anymore. Thinking about buying the Mosconi Gladen One 120.4 DSP – 4 Channel Amplifier with DSP and will speak with monsteraudiodesign.co.uk and will liaise with Makkan00 going forward. I would still like the rear door speakers to work, if its with the Base stereo, then thats fine. Or maybe theres a Mosconi 6 channel amp - need to do more digging... Do you think I'll still need a harness from Technic for the Mosconi amp or will this do: Mosconi Quadlock – 2 and 4 Channel Plug & Play Cable Harnesses.... I would prefer to just connect things up in the boot rather than remove panels etc thru out the whole car
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08-28-2014, 05:26 AM	#19
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Not familiar with the Mosconi Harness Not with the familiar Mosconi Harness since that is relatively new. They must have something worked out. I would contact Makkan00 and or Monster Audio for what you need to make it work and is familiar with a number of different solutions . You might be able to hear that system as there are a number of Londoners that have it listed in the E91 install thread . There are examples of solutions to the base system in the audio build thread. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323 You pretty much have to remove some panels to get wiring to the boot . Best System examples http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=level+3 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445266 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826683 http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634957 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=processor http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727760 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=level http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590420 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=581379 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451941 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540954 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324214 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495855 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=technic http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=Dotech http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=BSW http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...morel-jbl.html http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494299 http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=550771 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540446 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532585 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=amp+upgrade http://www.bilstereoforum.se/showthread.php?t=2356 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833581 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443043 http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...creations.html Install procedures http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=door+wires http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=19 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=571803 http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=amp+install http://www.bimmerdiy.com/dir/e90 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...DIY+door+panel http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553388 http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=speaker http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf
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08-28-2014, 06:44 AM	#21
mraghvani New Member 4 Rep 17 Posts Drives: BMW E91 330d Sport Touring Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Many thanks for all your help on this one and to all those thread links, I'll find the time to go thru them all and keep you all posted with the progress
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