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01-14-2014, 05:58 PM | #1 |
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E93 Audio Overhaul
hey guys, first time i'm posting in this section of e90post lol... when i get this done, i will do a write up and help people as much as i can, just hoping you guys can help me because atm i'm a noooob...
just a background on me, i did a full tear out of my old e46 and did all the sounds, but it was a 'juvenile' set-up, it was all based on getting the loudest possible sound, not really an audiophile set up... this, however, i do want to be high quality, but still loud... i have AKG K550s which are regarded as one of the best reference headphones ever made, and a full custom designed 5.1 surround sound system for my home cinema system - so you have an idea of what kinda person i am with sound lol.... soo, i want to do a complete tear out of the sounds in this e93... i want to keep the stock HU (it's a CIC system)... i'm guessing i have the base set-up as i do not have tweeters, buttt i have read somewhere that e93s have an amp even with the base set-up? need someone to clarify this pleaseee (the car sounds much bass-ier than my dad's e60 which does have tweeters so must have a better speaker package?) anyways, this is my parts list (feel free to suggest anything else): Processor - Audison Bit Ten D or JBL MS-8 3 x Amps - shown below Front - Focal 100KRS Mid-bass - Kicker SSM8 Rear - Focal IC100 Centre - Focal 100CA1 Technic Harness Tweeter door grills Centre console speaker grill Sound deadening Foam sealing Wiring Distribution block Processor Audison Bit Ten D Fronts - 2 Channels (possibly send signal for rears and centres) Mids - 2 Channels Sub - 1 Channel or JBL MS-8 Fronts - 2 Channels Mids - 2 Channels Rears - 2 Channels Centre - 1 Channel (split to 2 channels for front and rear) Sub - 1 Channel Amp 1 - Kenwood KAC-X4D Fronts - 2 x 50W RMS @ 4ohms Mid-bass - 2 x 120W RMS @ 4ohms Amp 2 - Kenwood KAC-6405 Centres - 2 x 50W RMS @ 2ohms Rears - 2 x 50W RMS @ 2ohms Amp 3 - Kenwood KAC-9105D Sub - 1 x 600W RMS @ 4ohms So everything explained: Not sure on what processor to use, MS-8 seems popular with you guys, but I've heard really good things with the Audison... you guys let me know... not sure about my choice in amps but the kenwoods have always been reliable and sounded good to me (get good reviews too)... Not sure if it works like this... but if I had the Audison, could i send the output signals to an amp for the fronts and split it to send a signal for the rears and centres (and then adjust the gains on the amps myself to what I like)? or if I used the MS-8 split the single centre channel to give a signal for 2 speakers... and this talk of a 2nd centre - basically I wanted to build a custom enclosure for a 2nd centre speaker to be put in the arm rest bit of the rear seats... I think it'll look cool and sound pretty good too, but correct me if im wrong lol... Cos bootspace is limited, I wanted to build a custom subwoofer enclosure which will fit in the skipass hole and use the alpine shallow sub facing inwards (like this)... Atm there's a false wall but i'm sure it can be removed... And then I wanted to mount the amps on a false floor and wall in the rear section of the boot... Make it a clean build but it doesn't have to be showy! that's everything! please do let me know if you think this is a terrible build or it's actually interesting... i haven't seen many e93 audio builds so know what i can do is actually hard to research! any help will be much appreciated!
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processor: Helix DSP or Mosconi 6to8, def not an audison or JBL amp(s): Helix Competition A4, Mosconi, Focal rears: i don't believe in rear/center speakers because stereo should just be left and right front channels and the sound from rears in a car makes me want to rip my hair out. speakers: Jehnert Flatline kit sub: i have a Dynaudio Esotar 1200 mounted IB in the ski pass (no box), pics of this are on the first page in this section under the other e93 thread hateeeeeee how centers and rears sound. i can't stress that enough lol. Quote:
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iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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01-15-2014, 01:59 PM | #3 | |
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i will check out the amps and processors you suggested... are the rears really that bad lool, why don't you turn down the gain from them??
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01-15-2014, 08:43 PM | #5 |
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can't turn down the gain. i don't have any rears =)
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iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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01-19-2014, 04:24 PM | #6 |
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changed it up a bit... i decided i do want to run centre and rear speakers, not really for SQ reasons, more for SPL, but i do like the sound from rears and centres...
and i decided im going to buy a 2nd hand Audision Bit One... it will be better than a new ms8 or anything else... so here's the plan: DSP - Audison Bit One 3 x Amps - see below Front - Focal 100KRS Mid-bass - Kicker RMB8 Rear - Focal IC100 Centre - Focal 100CA1 Subwoofer - JL 10TW3-D4 Custom enclosure Technic harness Tweeter door grills Dash speaker grill Installation materials Amps Amp 1 - Pioneer GM-D8604 - £130 Fronts - 2 x 50W RMS @ 4ohms Mid-bass - 2 x 150W RMS @ 2ohms Amp 2 - Pioneer GM-D8604 - £130 Centres - 2 x 50W RMS @ 4ohms Rears - 2 x 50W RMS @ 4 ohms Amp 3 - Pioneer GM-D8601 - £120 Sub - 1 x 400W RMS 2ohms Total - £380 - 1000W RMS
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changed it once more lol, decided to not go for the focals as they are overpriced imo:
DSP - Audison Bit One 3 x Amps Front - GZ Radioactive 100FX Mid-bass - Kicker RMB8 Rear - GZ Hydrogen 402X Centre - GZ Radioactive 42XII Subwoofer - JL 10TW3-D4 Custom enclosure Technic harness Tweeter door grills Dash speaker grill Amps Amp 1 - Pioneer GM-D8604 Fronts - 2 x 70W RMS @ 4ohms Mid-bass - 2 x 150W RMS @ 2ohms Amp 2 - Pioneer GM-D8604 Centres - 2 x 60W RMS @ 4ohms Rears - 2 x 60W RMS @ 4 ohms Amp 3 - Pioneer GM-D8601 Sub - 1 x 400W RMS 2ohms Total - 1080W RMS
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Most of the rest of the Gold Mine
Install procedures
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=door+wires http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=19 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=571803 http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=amp+install http://www.bimmerdiy.com/dir/e90 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...DIY+door+panel http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553388 http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=speaker http://bavariansoundwerks.com/produc...dan_Logic7.pdf Repair resources http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635672 http://www.bmwgm5.com/Logic7_6941681.htm http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-C...ioQ5fVideo#ht_ http://www.diyparadise.net/bmw_cd73_repair.html http://www.bmwradiorepair.com/?gclid...FccbQgodIEn0Cg coding http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=604297 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=802793 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480261 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1517538 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603002 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...CPqY7sEC#gid=0 http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-ELM-...d_rhf_ee_shvl2 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626106 http://forums.5series.net/topic/1060...g/page__st__15 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...QBEN1T21N1M4QB https://wiki.bentleypublishers.com/d...4242A6C62198A5 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603585 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=usenet If you are in London the go to guy is Makkan00 he has a sticky on one of the UK sub forums and can be of help with stereo and coding. |
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and yup i know Makkan00 personally lol... any thoughts on my parts list?? i'm questioning the Ground Zero speakers but they have good reviews... also the amps, i do like a Pioneer amp, feel they're better than JBL or Kenwood (the only 3 brands i've had)...
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01-21-2014, 08:28 PM | #12 |
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None of your parts are the common ones
None of your parts are the common ones except the Technic
Harness. So its not something I have any knowledge off. |
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As far as amps, there are definitely better quality amps than Pioneer. More power wouldn't hurt either. You could use this for the front, rear, and sub. http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDX-V9-.../dp/B007VSXGOQ And this for the underseats. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...F8&me=&seller= Youd have 150W x4 Front and Rear speakers 200w x2 Underseats 500w x1 Sub 1200 watts total |
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The alpine sound processor is also nice. It has auto tune so it's easy to setup and you can still make all the adjustments you need. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0088K9O56 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008ADZ7FW http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=744658 |
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haha yeah, there's an m3 coupe about as well... not sure of any more but i'm sure more will pop up, this matte blue is becoming quite popular...
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changed up the setup once more... spoke to a unbiased audio tech and he told me the ground zeros can run more power but wont be as nice as the focals so i bought them instead
and found a good deal on the Alpine DSP which outperforms anything... so i've bought these parts so far: DSP - Alpine PXA-H800 Amp 1 - Pioneer GM-D8604 Amp 2 - Pioneer GM-D8604 Amp 3 - Pioneer GM-D9601 Front - Focal 100KRS Mid-bass - Kicker RMB8 Rear - Focal IC100 Centre - Focal 100CA1 Tweeter door grills Dash speaker grill i was gonna buy the Alpine amps, but i wanted to run more power to the sub... i figured with this setup, if 400W RMS isn't enough for me i won't be able to run more power... so i'm gonna take up the bootspace with an enclosure like this: i'm probably gonna get the amp to run at 1200W RMS @ 1ohms... that should be plenty power for me and otherwise there's no point taking up that much bootspace... just deciding on what sub to get now... i'm thinking Sundown SA-12 but feel free to recommend me something else waiting on delivery, gonna get the installation materials and the sub and start the build!
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Are you exceeding the capacity of the electric system
Are you exceeding the capacity of the electric system.
At some point you need a bigger alternator . and extra battery . I have heard that is around 2000 watts but that is only from info read on this board. |
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Over about 2000 watts that starts to become a problem. I'm using close to 3000 with an upgraded battery. I wish I could find a high output alternator that fits.
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http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDXF6-P.../dp/B003FJJROS http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDX-F4-.../dp/B003GFZ6RI http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDXM12-.../dp/B003GFXYNG Here are a few pictures of my setup which is similar to what you had in mind. Another option is to do an infinite baffle setup. 500 watts would be plenty for that. |
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and those Alpines were over my budget here in the UK! it's okay, the Pioneers are really good
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